I Guess it's Time to Discuss January 6th

[calamus]

This is such a tedious conversation. Let's say for the sake of argument that one or more of the scores of people convicted were actually guilty of something. So what? That doesn't prove that there was an insurrection, or that the "justice" system is just. This is all a load of bullshit.

[724Seney]

This is such a tedious conversation. Let's say for the sake of argument that one or more of the scores of people convicted were actually guilty of something. So what? That doesn't prove that there was an insurrection, or that the "justice" system is just. This is all a load of bullshit.

It's all TSherbs and his band of "wokies" have; and they're hanging on for dear life!

[TSherbs]

This is such a tedious conversation. Let's say for the sake of argument that one or more of the scores of people convicted were actually guilty of something. So what? That doesn't prove that there was an insurrection, or that the "justice" system is just. This is all a load of bullshit.

No one is charged with "insurrection," and I have not been posting about "insurrection." Maybe you are having a "conversation" about insurrection with someone else. It certainly isn't with me. I am simply posting results of criminal cases being prosecuted against those who committed crimes related to the attack on the Capitol bldg on Jan 6. If it's tedious to you, simply avoid it.

Again, if you see "bullshit" in these cases, why not say specifically what it is? Maybe the error is your persistence in believing that the charges are "insurrection," when they are not (it's easy to read what the charges are).

When someone maces a police officer, the charge isn't "insurrection," for example. What is the error in charging someone for assault when all the evidence shows they have committed assault?

[TSherbs]

It's also not been a discussion of whether the justice system is "just." If that is what you would like to discuss, go for it. Perhaps some others will respond to you, and there are other threads open about other aspects of the justice system.

[dneal]

The mistake was ever thinking this was a conversation.

TSherbs wears a horse blinder on his right. That one needs to make an argument that grannies with flags aren't insurrectionists and shouldn't go to jail, shows how absurd it is. He's not interested in the obvious question of why the "Q-Anon Shaman" was escorted around the capitol, or why the 6 officers he encountered didn't mob him and put him in cuffs.

Notice he doesn't post about Gov Whitmer anymore? Do you think he knows why it isn't in his media anymore?

He's only interested in "convicted and sentenced", but this compulsion is interesting. It's some bizarre old lady turning to the obituaries every morning and cheering her high-school enemies' death(s).

I think I also referred to it as counting rosary beads, but it is a religious level of devotion to post them all.

Behold the power of an information operation.

[Chuck Naill]

There is another report that says he was not being escorted and was repeatedly asked to leave after entering illegally through a entry damaged by others. Has the question of why he was inside the Captial been answered. Was the Capital open to the public that day? If not, why was he not simply charged with trespassing?

Recently a member suggested the protestors were unarmed when video footage clearly shows they were. There have been other statements made that causes me to ask what sources people are listening or reading that would lead them not to believe their own eyes and ears?

[724Seney]

There have been other statements made that causes me to ask what sources people are listening or reading that would lead them not to believe their own eyes and ears?

Fine.
If you "get" this then why don't you understand when the tables are turned and others are saying the same thing about you?
#woke=hypocrite

[dneal]

There is another report that says he was not being escorted and was repeatedly asked to leave after entering illegally through a entry damaged by others. Has the question of why he was inside the Captial been answered. Was the Capital open to the public that day? If not, why was he not simply charged with trespassing?

Recently a member suggested the protestors were unarmed when video footage clearly shows they were. There have been other statements made that causes me to ask what sources people are listening or reading that would lead them not to believe their own eyes and ears?

He is on video by himself approaching half a dozen officers.

They could have taken him down if they wanted.

[TSherbs]

This guy in NJ has thus far eluded arrest. But that won't last. Hopefully, no one will get hurt. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...-riot/4842872/

News claims that Yetman has turned himself in, no harm to anyone reported. A good thing.

[TSherbs]

QAnon Shaman filed paperwork to run for Congress:

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-r...12d9719a2f2987

Well, he knows his way around the building.

[dneal]

QAnon Shaman filed paperwork to run for Congress:

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-r...12d9719a2f2987

Well, he knows his way around the building.

Good thing the capitol police gave him a tour.

[TSherbs]

Two more on assault:

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/10/tru...o-men-arrested

[TSherbs]

This man and his mother, from upstate New York:

WATERTOWN, New York (WWNY) - One of the two north country people charged in connection with the January 6 riots got ‘false hope’ from then-President Trump that the results of the presidential election could be over-turned.

That’s according to the lawyer for Raphael Rondon, who - with his mother Maryann Mooney-Rondon - was among the rioters who swarmed the capitol on January 6, 2021, and attempted to delay the official certification by congress of Joe Biden’s victory.

Rondon and his mother are now scheduled to be sentenced November 29.

Rondon pleaded guilty to one count of Obstruction of an Official Proceeding. Federal prosecutors are seeking a sentence of 51 months for Rondon. Rondon’s lawyer is seeking probation for Rondon, and no prison time.

In court documents, Rondon’s lawyer argues he fell under the spell of social media as he recovered from a life-threatening accident during the Covid pandemic.

“He fell into a deep depression as a result of his isolation and because of the self-esteem issues due to his physical disfigurements,” Rondon’s lawyer writes.

“Politics became his outlet,” according to Rondon’s lawyer. “The power of social media on young individuals is astonishing and is something to which the older generation...simply cannot relate.”

As a result, Rondon “believed all of the mass messaging and propaganda that the election was stolen from” Trump, according to Rondon’s lawyer.

“He felt personally invited by the President of the United States to come to Washington, D.C. to hear him speak.”

“Mr. Rondon fell into the manipulation strategies that Trump used to convince even older and more educated people that their democracy was being compromised,” Rondon’s lawyer writes.

“Young men like Mr. Rondon had no chance of understanding their role as pawns in the campaign’s agenda that convinced people that Trump was actually the winner of the election.”

Rondon’s lawyer points out that Rondon wasn’t involved in any of the planning for January 6; nor was he part of any of the organized groups on hand that day. Nonetheless, they were among the large crowd that entered the capitol January 6.

Rondon and his mother ended up in then-Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi’s office, where Rondon says he assisted someone - who, has never been established - in taking a laptop computer. Rondon and his mother also went to the Senate chambers, but his lawyer notes “Rondon had no understanding that this was the Senate Chamber where Congress sat prior to entering.”

“Mr. Rondon regrets his actions and clearly did not understand the gravity of what he was doing while with his mother inside the Capitol building,” his lawyer writes.

Raphael Rondon already faces a 14 month prison sentence for an unregistered, sawed-off shotgun federal investigators found. He is due to surrender to authorities right after his sentencing for the events of January 6

He succumbed to the lies and propaganda of the loser-liar-in-chief and his ministry of untruth. Thousands did.

[dneal]

He succumbed to the lies and propaganda of the loser-liar-in-chief and his ministry of untruth.

In my head, I hear this like that obnoxious little girl in Willy Wonka.

[TSherbs]

This grandpa shoulda stayed home with his grandkids on Jan 6. Instead, he donned a goofy helmet, a gasmask, and joined with other criminals in intentionally defying police on Capitol grounds and breaking the law in an effort to contravene one of the most important democratic proceedings on the planet: the lawful transfer of power from one elected leader of the USA to the next.

https://news.yahoo.com/mo-gun-dealer...192438450.html

[Chuck Naill]

“We were trying every means possible to stop these idiots from stealing the presidency and destroying this nation.”

At times in my conversations or just listening, there is a sense that some people think things are worse today than before. A member posted an article a month or so ago wanting to go back to former days. Just like this person, he believed the election was stolen. He believes the nation is being destroyed. And, being destroyed by liberals and progressives.

If we just consider what a better world would look like it they got their way, what would that look like in the US?

[724Seney]

[QUOTE=TSherbs;408271Instead, he donned a goofy helmet, a gasmask, and joined with other criminals in intentionally defying police on Capitol grounds and breaking the law in an effort to contravene one of the most important democratic proceedings on the planet: the lawful transfer of power from one elected leader of the USA to the next[/QUOTE]

More phony baloney coming from our resident horse with blinders...........

CUE:
Kate Smith singing "God Bless America"

[Chuck Naill]

You believe what Ted posted is false? If so, why?

[dneal]

You should see the not-curated J6 tapes that the new speaker released.

I wonder why Democrats didn't want people to see the not-violent wandering around with the capitol police?

Do you think they were trying to manipulate opinion by exaggerating a perspective?

[Chuck Naill]

There are always those who wander around and look at what others are doing, you might resemble that discription. The point you seem to want to dismiss is the actions of those who were violent.