I Guess it's Time to Discuss January 6th

[kazoolaw]

Why is William Evans' death related to January 6?

? No idea

Capitol police officer William Evans was killed April 2, 2021 in the car attack which injured another officer. The driver brandished a knife, and was shot and killed. You can research the driver's ties to radical groups. You can also decide whether the attempts by Biden, Harris, and other politicians, was an attempt to inflate the effect of Janurary 6, 2021.

[Chuck Naill]

January 6 2020 occrured. Trump’s speech transcript is readily available.

[TSherbs]

Well, there ya go: sedition charges

NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth: Two North Texas ‘Oath Keepers' Charged With Seditious Conspiracy in Jan. 6 Attack.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/tw...gress/2858086/

[kazoolaw]

Well, there ya go: sedition charges

NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth: Two North Texas ‘Oath Keepers' Charged With Seditious Conspiracy in Jan. 6 Attack.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/tw...gress/2858086/

Appreciated the attempt of the cited item to put some perspective into the story by noting the sedition charges in Michigan several years ago were dismissed. Ther was also a Fort Smith case in which defendants were found not guilty.
It also points out a successful sedition prosecution when people attacked the Capital and actually shot several House representatives. I don't recall any gunshots on 1/6 from anyone but a police officer. Am I remembering wrong?

[Chuck Naill]

I sort of feel for these people being charged and convicted. They thought they were following the right person. There is no way, surely, they knew the historcial Trump. At least Hitler fought in WW1.

[welch]

From Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/a-b...92k4EbSdCg6GeM

'A bloody and desperate fight:' U.S. prosecutors release Oath Keepers' communications
Reuters

Jan 13 (Reuters) - Here are excerpts of communications that Stewart Rhodes, founder of the far-right Oath Keepers militia, had with his allies in the run-up to and after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to prosecutors, who on Thursday charged him and 10 alleged members of the group with seditious conspiracy.

NOVEMBER 2020

The indictment says Rhodes, of Granbury, Texas, started disseminating messages on encrypted applications to his followers in November 2020, encouraging them to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power."

On Nov. 5, two days after the election, he sent a message on the Signal message service that read: "We aren't getting through this without a civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind body, spirit."

DECEMBER 2020

On Dec. 11, Rhodes sent a message to an invitation-only group chat on Signal, telling them that if Democrat Joe Biden took over the presidency "it will be a bloody and desperate fight. We are going to have a fight. That can't be avoided.'



On Christmas Day, Rhodes wrote that Congress would likely "screw" then-President Donald Trump over and the only chance he has is if "we scare the shit out of them and convince them it will be torches and pitchforks..."

JAN. 6, 2021

Just before 1:30 p.m. on the day of the attack Rhodes told people in the Signal chat: Vice President Mike "Pence is doing nothing. As I predicted."

He added: "All I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything. So the patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough."

Rhodes told people that those who gathered at the Capitol were not members of antifa, the loosely organized anti-fascism movement. Asked by an associate who was in the mobs storming the Capitol, Rhodes replied: "Actual Patriots. Pissed off patriots. Like the Sons of Liberty were pissed off patriots."

Again, the indictment says that they attempted to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power." I call it "treason", since it was an attempt to overthrow by force a key piece of the Constitution. That's my private grumble, as I said earlier. Not a legal opinion.

[kazoolaw]

Again, the indictment says that they attempted to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power." I call it "treason", since it was an attempt to overthrow by force a key piece of the Constitution. That's my private grumble, as I said earlier. Not a legal opinion.

Thank you for your clarification of the actual definition of treason and your opinion.
Particularly when crimes with specific definitions are involved it's important to understand what is and what is not involved. "Sedition" is serious enough without attaching it to the emotional impact of "treason."

[TSherbs]

What the fuck did that guy think he was doing? Anyway, they are in some deep legal doodoo now, even though sedition is so rarely charged.

[Chuck Naill]

I heard the prosecutors were wanting to make that particular indictment. Will it be hard to prove? Will they use as a defense that the former President had told them what to do? If so, can Trump be then legally indicted? I've read often you go after the underling first.

And Kevin McCarthy isn't going to testify. It is a big mess, but justice needs to occur.

[TSherbs]

My guess is that they'll go for the "metaphor" and "rhetoric" defense: it was never meant literally, it's just the rhetoric of wack job losers on the internet who then ended up in DC storming the barricaded doors of the Capitol seeking out the chamber where one of the most important processes of democracy was taking place in order to prevent it.

Oh wait. That might fall under the definition of sedition.

Oops.

[Chuck Naill]

Treason was a term Trump used against Milley.

[kazoolaw]

Like a wise guy said, "We don't get to make up our own definitions as we go along. That's a good thing for both sides."

[Chuck Naill]

Who said it?

[kazoolaw]

>blush< See, Post 61.

[TSherbs]

My guess is that they'll go for the "metaphor" and "rhetoric" defense: it was never meant literally, it's just the rhetoric of wack job losers on the internet who then ended up in DC storming the barricaded doors of the Capitol seeking out the chamber where one of the most important processes of democracy was taking place in order to prevent it.

Oh wait. That might fall under the definition of sedition.

Oops.

Allegedly, we can add to this a plan to take over the Capitol and then bring in more people and the guns the next day (they have the evidence of the weapons and the recordings and messages re the plan).

[manoeuver]

Allegedly, we can add to this a plan to take over the Capitol and then bring in more people and the guns the next day (they have the evidence of the weapons and the recordings and messages re the plan).

Love to see how many participants were working for or with the FBI.

[TSherbs]

Allegedly, we can add to this a plan to take over the Capitol and then bring in more people and the guns the next day (they have the evidence of the weapons and the recordings and messages re the plan).

Love to see how many participants were working for or with the FBI.

I hope so. Good to know that the feds are keeping their eyes on the crazies.

Also interesting: a number of these folks are ex-police and/or ex-military.

[TSherbs]

So I suppose we should also be discussing January 7, 2021. 🤔

[TSherbs]

We'll learn some more, I suppose:

Yahoo News: Supreme Court allows Jan. 6 committee to get Trump documents.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-c...231723227.html

[TSherbs]

Escape tunnels, what? That's my wine cellar!

POLITICO: Oath Keepers founder is ordered detained pending trial in Jan. 6 riot

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-riot-00002603

And yup, they've already deployed the "that's just rhetoric" defense.