I Guess it's Time to Discuss January 6th

[Chuck Naill]

Trump asked John Kelley why he couldn’t be more like Hitler’s generals regarding their loyalty.

His chief of staff explained they had tried to kill Hitler to which Trump was dismissive.

And some here would vote for him again.

[Chuck Naill]

FBI raids Trump's Florida house.

From Heather Cox Richardson today,
"Political commentators noted that the law disqualifies from “holding any office under the United States” anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys…any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk of officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States.”


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

"“Yes, I recognize the legal challenge that application of this law to a president would garner (since qualifications are set in Constitution),” he wrote. “But the idea that a candidate would have to litigate this is during a campaign is in my view a ‘blockbuster in American politics.’”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/u...minal-law.html

[TFarnon]

FBI raids Trump's Florida house.

From Heather Cox Richardson today,
"Political commentators noted that the law disqualifies from “holding any office under the United States” anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys…any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk of officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States.”


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

"“Yes, I recognize the legal challenge that application of this law to a president would garner (since qualifications are set in Constitution),” he wrote. “But the idea that a candidate would have to litigate this is during a campaign is in my view a ‘blockbuster in American politics.’”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/u...minal-law.html

The problem with this line of thinking is that Trump and his minions tried to do just that: Hillary had to contend with: "Benghazi!!!!", "But her emails", Pizzagate, "But her emails" and "Lock her up!" Why should Trump be treated any differently? We see the chilling effects when the party in power arrests and charges opposition leaders all over the world. However, we aren't re-writing the law here, bringing sham charges based on false allegations and a general sense of being ill-used. Trump hasn't actually been arrested (more's the pity in my opinion, but there are legal issues here).

[Chip]

I don't know if it's a weakness or a strength, that US law presumes a basic level of honesty on the part of elected officials.

That is, knowing the difference between classified, secure documents and personal correspondence, or taking the trouble to find out, and acting accordingly.

Having a high elected official who has no grasp of the difference between national security and interests, and his own political aims exposes a rather large blind spot in our means of governing.

[TSherbs]

I suppose that it doesn't help that there are virtually no professional, ethical, or intellectual qualifications for being president.

[Chuck Naill]

The Trump base is now saying the FBI planted evidence.

[TSherbs]

This guy was kind of dumb: he was wearing a probation GPS tracker.

The Associated Press
'Self-professed' white supremacist gets jail for Jan. 6 riot.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-s...4f81ea715a6da3

[Chuck Naill]

Dumb would describe all. I equate it to rock star fans storming the arena or protestors looting. People get caught up doing self-harming things. What is amazing to me is that the majority of Trump's based are at home voting for the candidates that support the Big Lie. Surely these are not the majority of Americans.

"The fallout continues from the FBI search of former president Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. Trump and his supporters have begun to circle around the idea that the FBI agents “planted” evidence while they were there, which suggests they’re afraid of what’s going to turn up. While right-wing figures are saying Trump’s lawyers were not present during the search, two of them—Christina Bobb and Lindsey Halligan—confirmed to Politico that they were there. Remember, while the Department of Justice can’t say what was in the warrant or what they took, Trump could but is choosing not to.

Meanwhile, there are reports that a close associate flipped on Trump to tell the Department of Justice what was at Mar-a-Lago that they might want to see. It is crucial to remember that anything we hear is coming from Trump supporters; the Department of Justice is not talking. So rumors are just that—rumors—although this one has been reported in multiple places, so I am making a note of it."


"More than that, though, Trump made history today by becoming the first U.S. president to plead the Fifth. It is an astonishing thing to see that a former president, the person who was responsible for faithfully executing the laws of our nation, has invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination."

https://heathercoxrichardson.substac...m_source=email

[Chuck Naill]

"It may be funny to you motherf***er but it's not funny to me," O'Rourke says to the man while pointing him out in the crowd. "

[Chuck Naill]

Josh Hawley has a book about manhood coming out next year. Nikki Haley has a book about womanhood coming out in two months.

Mike Pompeo has lost so much weight that he’s barely recognizable. Mike Pence has grown so much spine that he’s almost a vertebrate.

Don’t tell them Donald Trump is the Republican Party’s inevitable 2024 presidential nominee. If that’s foreordained, then a whole lot of literary, cardiovascular and orthopedic effort has gone to waste.

"https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-2024-desantis-hawley.html

[Chuck Naill]

If for no other reason, that the US separated children from parents. I cannot imagine.

[Chuck Naill]

Another casualty of Trump's exploitation, Ricky Shiffer. It is hard to think of the ruin this man has caused. When will it end?

[Chuck Naill]

Damnation….
https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...d-trump-2022-8

[TSherbs]

Another one for seven years. This one, a cop:

NBC News: Ex-cop who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 sentenced to record-tying 7 years in prison.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...ison-rcna42559

[Chuck Naill]

Trump's lawyers and their actions toward voting machine data uncovered...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...van-strickler/

[Chuck Naill]

Alexi De Tocqueville wrote Democracy in America. In chapter four he writes, "when one wants to speak of the political laws of the United States, it is always with the dogma of the sovereignty of the people that one must begin." four paragraphs later he observed, "IF there is a single country in the world where one can hope to appreciate the dogma of the sovereignty of the people at its just value, to study it in its application to the affairs of society, and to judge its advantages and its dangers, that country is surely America. The book was first published in 1835

When we see the Republican Party becoming the sovereign power and subjugating the will of the American voter, it should alarm.

[TSherbs]

Very intelligent roundtable discussion about how to classify and understand January 6:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...table-00052281

[Chuck Naill]

Ted, how to do you refer to January 6? It appears to me to be the attempt to prevent the majority from choosing who they want to be in power. We can argue about what to call it, but perhaps agree about the intent.

[Chuck Naill]

A judge saves L. Graham. Perhaps Jesus saves and saves him.

[TSherbs]

A handful more of the douchebags now charged:

NBC News: Feds arrest five members of 'B Squad' militia allegedly run by former GOP House candidate in Jan. 6 case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-can-rcna44621

"B Squad". forfucksake.