Maybe that should be in the other thread.
Maybe that should be in the other thread.
I don't think that any Evangelical voted for Donald Trump to express the priority of raising up other issues around poverty and care for women and poor children to the same moral status or activism that the anti-abortion movement received. I don't think that the decades-long effort to train and then appoint conservative justices to various benches had anything to do with elevating political or moral concerns around poverty or the welfare of mothers and poor children. From my point of view the Evangelical commitment to the GOP has been about Roe most of all, and then to a lesser degree about religious liberty, low taxes, slowing down social change, and a healthy dash of holding on to white advantage.
Yes. I have had a few conservative Christian voting friends tell me that voting for Trump was a real strain on their religious conscience. Deeply worrisome for them. But finally, to help them get past the moral wrong they knew that they were doing (voting for an unrepentant openly sinning blasphemer) they would remind themselves of the statistics of legal abortion. Only then could they justify the "sin" of their support for Trump. I felt for them and was angered by them at the same time. But there it is.
Abortions were decreased when contraceptions were made available by insurance providers during the Obama administration. There has consistanly been a push back by Republicans on this benefit. They want fewer unwanted pregnancies, but won't provide a method.
Religious liberty applies to more than White Evangelicals, there are and continue to be Muslim and Jewish religoius folk who suffer discrimination. Black Evangelicals have not faired much better.
That tax reform for the middle class did not benefit and several deductions were taken away. It is more of a con man's claim that you are better off when you are not.
If slowing depravity is a goal, White Evangelicals are providing a very very poor example of what it needs to look like. By supoorting a known con man and the religious leaders being vocally supportive, even making excuses for his behavior, many just see the hyocracy and say, clean up your own house first before being critical about ours.
Biden won not because of moral purity, but because people preferred him over another four years of obvious daily displays of lying and corruption.
Yes, certainly. One has to make a moral priority list to make these choices (or have no moral list at all and choose for other reasons). Legal abortion, as I have said, is a deal breaker for some. For others, like myself, it is not, and other values rise to the top. The fact of having to choose only between two old white men of privilege stank, and is part of the moral problem of choice for me. It often becomes a "lesser evil" exercise when the options suck.
Let’s discuss Jerry Falwell Jr. He imposed rules on the student while participating i some pretty strange practices
Chuck,
You said, "I took the lesser of two evils."
You chose to align yourself with evil, lesser though you believed it to be.
You asked Chuck this, but I can answer for me: I knowingly vote for sinners every time I cast a vote. I often know what some of their sins are, but often I know also that I don't know them all. I decide which sins and which degree of sinning is more tolerable (like how I am with friends and family and myself) and then make decisions from there. Not all sins are equal (thus the list that I described above) nor is each sin committed to the same degree. Sinners aren't all equal in this regard. In morality, as in law, there are degrees of wrong-doing.
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True there are worse sins than others however they all get the eternal death penalty
I disagree
Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 19
11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
?? I've never said that I don't understand. I entered the thread stating that I feel that I do understand.
I would add that appealing to these same voters is why (major reason, not *only one*) Trump picked Pence for VP. I understand the move (I don't think that it is complicated).
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