"How Does that Make You Feel"

[Chuck Naill]

I often watch the PBS series, Finding Your Roots". Often Henry Louis Gates will ask a white guest upon discovering their ancestors owned people, "how does that make you feel". That's when I imagine what would I say. I am sure the white guest feels the need to say slavery was wrong. However. beyond that how would you respond?

[TSherbs]

I am a descendant of slave owners from the eastern shore of Chesapeake Bay. I feel guilty, since I have clearly inherited the privileged status and various benefits (indirectly) of this abusive historical arrangement. I feel obligated to be conscious of this advantage, this burden, and the responsibility to be more aware and open to a more just relationship between all of the forms of legacy from that centuries-long scourge.

[Chip]

Several of my forebears lived in Virginia. Without knowing for certain, I'd guess that some kept slaves.

Here's an old photo of a horse and groom:



However, since the ancestor was a general in the Union Army, and the groom is wearing a garrison cap, I'd reckon he wasn't enslaved right then.

[Bold2013]

I don’t feel guilty for the sins of others, but I do acknowledge their sins have consequences.

Every privilege I have came from God. I am thankful for it and will use it to the best of my ability for His glory.

My parents came from communist Poland but I’m sure between them and Noah some slave owning existed.

[TSherbs]

I don’t feel guilty for the sins of others, but I do acknowledge their sins have consequences.

Every privilege I have came from God. I am thankful for it and will use it to the best of my ability for His glory.

My parents came from communist Poland but I’m sure between them and Noah some slave owning existed.

I meant to ask you, do you believe in a literal Flood that covered the earth and a literal ark that carried two of every animal?

[Bold2013]

I believe that Genesis was written as a historic narrative. Actual people and actual flood. Specific ark dimensions.

And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female… according to its kind.

[Chuck Naill]

Why do you choose to believe?

Do you question?

[Bold2013]

I think the Bible is historically reliable and supernatural.

Of course. That is why I continue to read and study.

[Chuck Naill]

I think the Bible is historically reliable and supernatural.

Of course. That is why I continue to read and study.

I don't fault you for believing what you choose. Just don't force others to believe what you choose.

[Bold2013]

Well the Bible says God is the one that causes people to believe (it would be impossible for me to force anyone). People just need a little truth in their lives and I can help point them in the right direction.

[Chuck Naill]

Well the Bible says God is the one that causes people to believe (it would be impossible for me to force anyone). People just need a little truth in their lives and I can help point them in the right direction.

Was the Samaritan, the thief on the cross, or the woman caught having intercourse, chosen by God? I recommend getting rid of Calvin and just allowing the text, parts of the text, speak.

BTW, are you a four or five point Calvinist?

[Bold2013]

Ephesians 2

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God

[Bold2013]

What is so wrong with God choosing?

[Chuck Naill]

How do you know he does?

[TSherbs]

What is so wrong with God choosing?

What can be wrong with any faith is that there is no God and the faith is therefore deceived and thus all the efforts (which include severe judgment and cruelty) to do what is thought to be "God's will" in fact is nothing more than self-righteous delusion.

[Chuck Naill]

The danger is not God choosing, but people deciding what God chose.

[Bold2013]

The danger is not God choosing, but people deciding what God chose.

Agreed. The danger is with ourselves.

[Chuck Naill]

I didn’t say that, bold. You’re like Kazoo, reading is not your forte.

Forest Gump when asked if he had found Jesus. He said, I didn’t know we were supposed to be looking for him sir!

[Bold2013]

Chuck we agree. No one seeks after God

Romans 3

10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

[Lloyd]

God chose me to be a disbeliever and I accepted the role.

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