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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

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    Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID?
    Not if Dominion machines are used to scan them.

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Ha!

    I had the training course when a goofball geography prof was trying to set up a mapping project on beaver density and travel routes in a national park.

    His notion was that he would implant PIT tags in dominant males and set up electromagnetic loop antennas to get IDs and counts. I sketched a plan to locate antennas with solar panels and batteries for power, fairly simple stuff.

    The practical problem was that the beaver use braids and side channels that shift course and change geometry quickly, especially during spring when beaver establish territories. So a loop antenna placed on a narrow channel might be buried in sand and gravel a week later. I overlaid channel plots from a couple years which convinced him.

    He also talked to some biologists who impressed on him the difficulty of capturing and tagging large male beaver.

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Actually if these do have a ferrite core you might not be able to get an MRI. The strength of a 3 tesla coil magnet is strong enough to pull ferrous objects out of the body. A lot of implants don't allow me to order an MRI on patients, this might be another implant that makes my job a little bit harder.

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    Also implanting devices is not 100% complication free. I'm sure there will be a proportion that get infected. Some people also might develop an allergy or a foreign body reaction.
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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    I'm not proposing this as a means of identifying people.

    Just reflecting on the Republican urge to ID voters as a means to discourage those who don't favor their party.

    Tagging seems like a foolproof way of establishing legal identity. What's the diff between having to show your driver's license and getting scanned?

    How is that incompatible with "freedom," "liberty," etc. unless one is trying to conceal or falsify one's identity?

    Having a driver's license is a state mandate.

    So, there are good state mandates and bad ones?

    Discuss. . .

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    "Just reflecting on the Republican urge to ID voters as a means to discourage those who don't favor their party."

    That's simply an unproven assertion that is part of the Democrat narrative. A variation of "racist" accusations hurled. I've already shown the data in another thread where over 90% of people, regardless of race, have a form of state issued ID. Rasmussen, Monmouth, etc... always find overwhelming (70-80%) support for showing an ID to vote, no matter the ethnic group. It's a made up issue. The premise is false.

    As for the rest, a misrepresentation of the issue through false analogies resulting in a false equivalency. Neither voting nor drivers licenses are mandated, and lumping them all together with (presumably) vaccine mandates as "good" and "bad" mandates to attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy results in a false dichotomy - that all "mandates" must be "good" or "bad". Perhaps you should revisit the Emerson quote on foolish consistencies.

    So the one common theme in the post is "falseness", woven throughout. It's not even clever.

    In other news, The IRS wants you to submit to facial recognition to verify taxpayer's identities.

    So would Democrats be ok with facial recognition to vote? They're apparently ok with it to make sure you paid your fair share.

    Discuss...

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    There has to be some motivation by Republicans. Have they been loosing the popular vote for 17 years? One way to reduce that is to make voting more inconvenient.

    You might not be anti Tom Brady, but if you can find a way to keep him from throwing a price, you might have a better chance of winning .

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    There has to be some motivation by Republicans. Have they been loosing the popular vote for 17 years? One way to reduce that is to make voting more inconvenient.

    You might not be anti Tom Brady, but if you can find a way to keep him from throwing a price, you might have a better chance of winning .
    Does there also have to be some motivation by the Democrats? Have they been losing the electoral vote for 17 years?

    You also say they want to make voting more "inconvenient". More Democrat narrative, with little proof. Who told you that? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? CNN? NYT? lol, or whatever is supposed to follow. For someone who cries about validating and verifying, it doesn't seem to apply in your direction.

    Tom Brady - the deflated football guy? Is there some reason you picked a disgraced cheater for an example?

    Monmouth poll:

    Most Americans support both easier access to early voting and requiring photo identification to vote, according to the Monmouth (“Mon-muth”) University Poll. The public is more divided on expanding vote-by-mail, although a majority would like to see some national voting guidelines established for federal elections. The poll also finds that only one-third of the public believes “audits” of the 2020 election results are legitimate efforts to uncover irregularities. Moreover, one-third of Americans continue to believe Joe Biden won the presidency only due to voter fraud – a steady trend since November that underlines the crystallization of our nation’s deep partisan divide.

    A large majority (71%) of the public feels in-person early voting should generally be made easier. Just 16% say it should be made harder. Opinion is more divided on voting by mail – 50% say this should be made easier and 39% say it should be made harder. At the same time, fully 4 in 5 Americans (80%) support requiring voters to show photo identification in order to cast a ballot. Just 18% oppose this.

    Easing in-person early voting access and requiring photo IDs both have bipartisan majority support. Approval of making early voting easier stands at 89% among Democrats, 68% among independents, and 56% among Republicans. Support for requiring a photo ID to vote stands at 62% among Democrats, 87% among independents, and 91% among Republicans. Only Democrats back making voting by mail easier to do, with 84% supporting this idea compared to just 40% of independents and 26% of Republicans.

    More than 2 in 3 Americans (69%) support establishing national guidelines to allow vote-by-mail and in-person early voting in federal elections in every state. Just 25% oppose this idea. Support for establishing national voting guidelines on these issues comes from 92% of Democrats, 63% of independents, and 51% of Republicans.

    “The poll contains some seemingly conflicting information on voter access. The bottom line seems to be that most Democrats and Republicans want to take the potential for election results to be questioned off the table. The problem, though, is they aren’t likely to agree on how to get there,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

    More Americans say voter disenfranchisement (50%) is a major problem in the United States than say the same about voter fraud (37%). Democrats (64%) are more likely than either Republicans (43%) or independents (42%) to see disenfranchisement as being a major problem. Republicans (64%) are more likely than independents (41%) – and both groups are much more likely than Democrats (10%) – to see voter fraud as a major problem. Nine years ago, the overall number of registered voters who considered voter fraud to be a major problem (36%) was similar to the current results, although those who said it was not a problem at all was slightly lower (20%) than it is today (29%). Concern about voter fraud being a major problem has increased among Republicans since 2012 (from 51%) while it has declined by the same amount among Democrats (from 23%).

    “Disenfranchising eligible voters is nominally a bigger concern than voter fraud, but the sizable number of Americans who cling to the view that fraud determined the 2020 election poses an intractable challenge for reaching any public consensus on voting access,” said Murray.
    One-third (32%) of Americans continue to believe that Joe Biden’s victory in 2020 was due to voter fraud – a number that has not budged since the November election. At first glance in the crosstabs, it looks like the number of “Republicans” who believe this has been trending down while the number of independents who agree has ticked up. However, this appears to be a product of a shift in how Republicans identify themselves, with some moving their self-affiliation from being partisan to being an “independent” who leans partisan. When all Republican identifiers and leaners are combined, the number who believe Biden won only because of voter fraud has been fairly stable (63% now, 64% in March, 69% in January, and 66% in November). Furthermore, 14% of the American public say they will never accept Biden as president, including 3 in 10 (29%) Republicans and Republican leaners.

    “The continuing efforts to question the validity of last year’s election is deepening the partisan divide in ways that could have long-term consequences for our Democracy, even if most Americans don’t quite see it that way yet,” said Murray.

    Most Americans (57%) see audits of the 2020 election results that are ongoing or planned as primarily partisan efforts to undermine valid election results. One in three (33%), though, say these are legitimate efforts to identify possible voting irregularities. When asked about the impact of these audits, 40% say they will weaken American democracy versus 20% who say they will strengthen our democracy, while 35% say they will have no impact. A majority of Republicans and GOP leaners say these audits are legitimate (61%) and one-third say the audits will strengthen American democracy (34%). Among allother Americans, just 14% say the audits are legitimate with 55% saying they will actually weaken our democracy. Overall, 38% of the American public expects the impact of these audit efforts to be long- lasting, including nearly two-thirds of those who believe they will either weaken (63%) or strengthen (64%) our democracy.

    The Monmouth University Poll was conducted by telephone from June 9 to 14, 2021 with 810 adults in the United States. The question results in this release have a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points. The poll was conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute in West Long Branch, NJ.

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    Brady is the best QB ever. Trump is the greatest cheater ever. What planet are you on? Lol!

    Democrats aren’t changing the rules.

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    Ask the Rams ….lol!

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    What happened to the world? Life as a kid in the 50s and 60s was so much simpler. Nobody trying to hack everything you do or trying to cough on you or trying to hack your trash. GaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH.

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    Golly! Those were such good times.

    I recall my last day in high school, when there was a rumor of a showdown: whites vs. blacks.

    The assistant principal was carrying a shotgun and the principal a deer rifle.

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Golly! Those were such good times.

    I recall my last day in high school, when there was a rumor of a showdown: whites vs. blacks.

    The assistant principal was carrying a shotgun and the principal a deer rifle.
    I wonder who was most likely to end up with lead in them.

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    The principal, Theron Swainson, was a white Mormon. The assistant was also white. There were over 2000 students at our high school, and no black teachers or coaches.

    There were also a couple police cars parked out front.

    There'd been several nasty brawls leading up to that day, but the riot never materialized.

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Have there been any studies into the possible side-effects of these implants?
    I think they're basically inert, except to electromagnetic detection. It's been a common practice with dogs for quite some time. Simple passive tags, called PIT (Passive Integrated Transponders) have been used to ID migrating salmon and other wild species for quite a while. I went to a training session on implanting them and setting up reading stations in the field, to track wildlife migrations and residence.

    Each tag is assigned a digital ID. Passing through a magnetic field, it responds with the ID, which is recorded.

    Strikes me as curious that Russell Brand is happy documenting his location and personal views in videos, but thinks of e-tags as insidious.

    Wonder if the Republicans will adopt them for voter ID?
    COOL! Eat some salmon and accidentally swallow the chip, get tagged as a fish in an unlikely location, skew scientific data. Where do I sign up?

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    Default Re: Microchipping is here, in Sweden. What could go wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    COOL! Eat some salmon and accidentally swallow the chip, get tagged as a fish in an unlikely location, skew scientific data. Where do I sign up?
    Unlikely, unless you pass through an electromagnetic loop. Wonder if an airport scanner would set it off? Although it probably wouldn't figure in a salmon database.

    I seem to recall that they implant the PIT tag near the tail, so it probably wouldn't end up on your plate.
    Last edited by Chip; February 15th, 2022 at 11:30 PM.

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