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    Default I think I am getting scammed...

    So, I have posted a WTB classified about a week ago. I received a direct email (not a private message on FPG) from a user (I will leave unnamed for the time being), telling me that he has the pen that I am interested in. I asked for pictures, he sent me some, then I asked for additional (specific) images and a writing sample, he sent me what I wanted although the second set is not the same pen as the first one. (original pen, he said, is a medium, writing sample says it is a stub. first set doesn't have an inlay, second one does etc.). I did a google search and found out that the first set of pictures come from a website in Singapore, second set comes from a reddit user's posting a year ago.

    At what point do I report? What is the process (since none of this is happening within FPGeeks)? I am relatively new, and this user has been around few more months than me. I don't want to damage someone's reputation either.

    Suggestions from experienced folks?

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    You may as well post the "seller"s name. There are a few here who have a record of behavior like this. With a name, others can confirm, though with what you have found I'm not sure that's needed. You can report, but that doesn't seem to be very effective in stopping people like that. If you haven't sent anything, the thing to do is to just cut off discussion.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    nothing to be done except disengage or find the person and kill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manoeuver View Post
    nothing to be done except disengage or find the person and kill them.
    I prefer "disengage" option, the other one is a little too drastic

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    You may as well post the "seller"s name. There are a few here who have a record of behavior like this. With a name, others can confirm, though with what you have found I'm not sure that's needed. You can report, but that doesn't seem to be very effective in stopping people like that. If you haven't sent anything, the thing to do is to just cut off discussion.
    I agree.
    "Out" the "seller." Members need to know.
    If said "seller" disagrees or has another side to his/her story, they are free to post it.
    Do it.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    The seller's username is franklinbland (profile here). Here're my red flags, some of them inconsistency / misrepresentation, others circumstantial evidence:

    • Seller reached out directly instead of private message
    • I requested information. Referred to the color as "brown with green lining" (Heki-tamenuri would have been my expectation from a Nakaya owner)
    • I asked for pictures. Sent pictures of the pen. Pen had a medium nib.
    • Just to test if they actually had the pen, I requested writing sample and specific parts of the pen. They sent me what I asked for, but writing sample was from a stub nib, and had the Zogan inlay (initial set did not)
    • I asked, just to be clear, if these are the pictures of the actual pen they owned, and they said yes to that
    • I made a really low-ball offer. They accepted it without any pushback or negotiation
    • I googled and found the two sets of the images. First set (link here) comes from a website in Singapore, second set (link here) comes from a reddit user's review of his new pen.
    • I pointed out that these two pens are different and sent them the links, they ignored the physical differences and claimed those are the same pens and that they "listed them to sell there"


    Anyway, I am open to clarification, if any of this doesn't make sense.

    P.S. I edited this because my original post had a gender assumption.
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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Sounds like a scam to me. Run the other direction!


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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    Sounds like a scam to me. Run the other direction!

    Absolutely no doubt about it.
    Thanks for sharing the information with the membership.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Just stop communicating with franklinbland. There's not much you can do to stop or punish the scammer, other than reveal his FPG name and contact information in the Marketplace Feedback forum to warn others. I am unaware of any effort to ban or block them from FPGeeks.

    Unfortunately, the FPGeeks Wanted classifieds are a magnet for this kind of activity. Scammers will claim to have available anything. One rip-off artist assured me his friend Alex had latex ink for sale. I outed him in the Marketplace forum, only to discover that he'd already been active here.

    Of course, these frauds might be committed by the same person changing ID again and again, since the method is repeated.

    So, bear in mind that if you post a wanted ad, chances are quite good that responses will be fraudulent.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    I am so sorry to hear of this bad experience. Thankfully, most of the folks in the fp world are good people.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Thank you all.. Iíve been here for a few months but I had very pleasant interactions so far. I bought a couple of pens, notebooks and nib. Fred, Rick and others were all simple/straightforward. I am not taking anything personally, and I get that itís quite difficult to weed out the scammers. Anyway, I guess Iíll follow the traditional route for the Nakaya that Iím looking for.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    This sort of thing happens all too regularly on here as the other long standing members have said. Thank goodness your instincts were right and that you protected yourself so well from a scammer.

    It was a great idea to look to see if the pictures were from another source. I've seen TV shows where reverse image searches are done to find relationship scammers who use other peoples' Facebook images to pretend that they are someone they are not. Was yours also just a Google reverse image search?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    This sort of thing happens all too regularly on here as the other long standing members have said. Thank goodness your instincts were right and that you protected yourself so well from a scammer.

    It was a great idea to look to see if the pictures were from another source. I've seen TV shows where reverse image searches are done to find relationship scammers who use other peoples' Facebook images to pretend that they are someone they are not. Was yours also just a Google reverse image search?
    This was a weird experience. Iím sure nobody thinks they are gullible but the wish that it is true tricked me into overlooking all the signs (or hoping that my instinct were wrong). Quite frankly, starting the thread and getting the feedback made it easier for me.

    Whatís funny is, before interacting I did a search for the email address (franklinbland717@gmail) and there actually was a Franklin Bland in Pennsylvania with area code 717. That made me a little more comfortable to communicate, but then became the justification to deny the obvious as well.

    Yes, I used google to figure out sources of the images. First attempt was less glorious. I did an image search on google for Nakaya dorsal fin and saw a picture on the second page that reminded me of the writing sample. When I clicked on the link for the source site, thatís when I found out all of the second set. I did the reverse image search for the first set of pictures. Voila website in Singapore.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Quote Originally Posted by alperozt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    This sort of thing happens all too regularly on here as the other long standing members have said. Thank goodness your instincts were right and that you protected yourself so well from a scammer.

    It was a great idea to look to see if the pictures were from another source. I've seen TV shows where reverse image searches are done to find relationship scammers who use other peoples' Facebook images to pretend that they are someone they are not. Was yours also just a Google reverse image search?
    This was a weird experience. Iím sure nobody thinks they are gullible but the wish that it is true tricked me into overlooking all the signs (or hoping that my instinct were wrong). Quite frankly, starting the thread and getting the feedback made it easier for me.

    Whatís funny is, before interacting I did a search for the email address (franklinbland717@gmail) and there actually was a Franklin Bland in Pennsylvania with area code 717. That made me a little more comfortable to communicate, but then became the justification to deny the obvious as well.

    Yes, I used google to figure out sources of the images. First attempt was less glorious. I did an image search on google for Nakaya dorsal fin and saw a picture on the second page that reminded me of the writing sample. When I clicked on the link for the source site, thatís when I found out all of the second set. I did the reverse image search for the first set of pictures. Voila website in Singapore.
    Thanks for putting this out there for us. It is definitely easy to get lulled into a scammer's trap which is why I have been a strong advocate for people doing what you have done in terms of outing Franklin Bland. He or she will go elsewhere now and that is too bad but at least we should be rid of them...until they assume some new identity. As long as someone is fact based and descriptive, as you have been, you are on safe ground. And, given this person is registered on this site, they are free to refute anything you say, if they wish to do so.

    My guess is this scammer "stole" Franklin Bland's identity and is now doing as many nefarious deeds as is possible until he/she gets shut down. A Google search also shows a recently deceased Franklin Bland and I wonder if that might be the identity he/she has assumed.

    Meanwhile, I recommend that you stick with @whichwatch for your Nakaya needs. This Forum has no member with a better seller's reputation than his.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    By the way, if you are looking for a Nakaya Heki-Tamenuri, I am planning to sell one soon on Reddit. Happy to discuss with you if you want.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Quote Originally Posted by umjw21 View Post
    By the way, if you are looking for a Nakaya Heki-Tamenuri, I am planning to sell one soon on Reddit. Happy to discuss with you if you want.
    Why not post it for sale here, too?

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    I find the forum too difficult to navigate, pen_swap is just more fit for purpose, to me.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    This is a great place to learn and explore things but I just don't feel comfortable selling or buying. I once posted a WTB ad here and got numerous scammer attempts similar to OP. That doesn't happen to me elsewhere and I've done almost 30 trades.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    How unfortunate, this individual tried to scam me as well. A bummer, too, because I really would like to get my hands on that Piquadro Nikolai pen case.

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    Default Re: I think I am getting scammed...

    Awesome!!! Here's another one: tony29 (https://fpgeeks.com/forum/member.php/19580-tony29).

    Direct email to me (not a PM).

    The last time I purchased parts from Mr Steven He mentioned he had a Visconti two-tone nub Stub or Broad fro sale. Hit him up. prestensteven@gmail.com he might still have what you looking for. Cheers Mate and stay safe
    I guess this is for another WTB that I posted a while back.

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