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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    You know what we believe and why. You have rejected it. What more argument do you need? I leave it in His hands.
    I don’t know anything except that you quote Biblical passages.

    Has any of this had a transforming impact on your life? Have you been healed of addictions? Have you experienced something supernatural? Are you loving and living free? Do you have abundant life that you could not obtain on your own?

    Do you have a testimony? Can you give a witness?

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    As the blind man said, all I know is I was blind, but now I see.

    John asked if he was the one or should they look for another to which Jesus said, the blind see, the lame walk, and the poor have heard the good news!!

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    ...I leave it in His hands.
    Is this your response also to the debased and criminal practice of Catholic priests abusing and raping children and the Church leaders covering it up?

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    There are people sitting on the premises instead of standing on the promises. Discipleship is something to experience. What good is knowing food is available if you can’t eat and taste. Evangelicals have done a good job destroying the gospel.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    ...I leave it in His hands.
    Is this your response also to the debased and criminal practice of Catholic priests abusing and raping children and the Church leaders covering it up?
    They should and will pay for the sins and crimes.

    Jesus had a lot to say about children including those who do them harm.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    You know what we believe and why. You have rejected it. What more argument do you need? I leave it in His hands.
    I don’t know anything except that you quote Biblical passages.

    Has any of this had a transforming impact on your life? Have you been healed of addictions? Have you experienced something supernatural? Are you loving and living free? Do you have abundant life that you could not obtain on your own?

    Do you have a testimony? Can you give a witness?
    Why deflect away from Jesus to talk about myself?

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    ...Evangelicals have done a good job destroying the gospel.
    I don't care about the book. It's human beings I care about, especially the children. If being a good Catholic/Christian means throwing up one's hands to rape and abuse of children and being passive conspirators, then they all should get punishment on earth. Maybe some of the kinds popular in the time of Jesus.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    ...I leave it in His hands.
    Is this your response also to the debased and criminal practice of Catholic priests abusing and raping children and the Church leaders covering it up?
    They should and will pay for the sins and crimes.

    Jesus had a lot to say about children including those who do them harm.
    God can work in many ways, criminal prosecution and civil litigation included.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    They should get what the Canaanites got for their abominations.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    ...Evangelicals have done a good job destroying the gospel.
    I don't care about the book. It's human beings I care about, especially the children..
    Odd thing to say when you support killing children in the womb.

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    Stop it. Lots has been done to harm humanity which does negate the teachings of Jesus, Buddha, etc. No qroup has bragging rights.

    If someone has experienced something transformational, that cannot be explained away or argued against.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Doesn’t

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    How many lives have been lost to vaccine deniers and Fauci bashes?

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    ...Evangelicals have done a good job destroying the gospel.
    I don't care about the book. It's human beings I care about, especially the children..
    Odd thing to say when you support killing children in the womb.
    Nice try at deflection, Bold.

    Are you not capable of acknowledging the sins of your Church leadership? Are you convinced of their perfection, or something? Those humans who stand in the front of the sanctuary and deliver the blood and flesh of Jesus (Eucharist)? Yes, some of those persons have been and are monsters, and your church hierarchy protected them for decades. Jesus scolded false Jews for their sins. Why can't you do that for your false Catholic superiors? They're not perfect. Some, incredibly far from it.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    First. I am pointing out your inconsistency.

    Second. I am not catholic.

    Third. Teachers/elders/pastors/priests will give a higher account for their actions. If they don’t get their just punishment in this life they will in the next.

    Fourth. This is why the Bible is the authority rather than flawed man (no matter how right we think we are, myself included).

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    My so-called inconsistency isn't relevant to the topic of the failings of faith and religion. This is just an emotional attempt at deflection. There are those of us here not willing to leave justice to a fictional punishment in a fictional afterlife. Far too many human atrocities through history have been allowed to fester and even grow with the "I leave it to God" attitude of not being willing to fight for justice NOW. The world's religions have no moral or behavioral high ground when you look at history. Even your faith here on this thread has been an engine delivering power to your indifference (or denial) and willingness to remain a bystander to the suffering of abused and raped children.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    If someone has experienced something transformational, that cannot be explained away or argued against.
    I experienced a sudden flash of enlightenment (satori, in Buddhist terms) while I was splitting wood for the stove.

    Powerful, but there was no message. Here's the poem I wrote:

    Cutting firewood
    I split myself in half:
    One to suffer,
    One to laugh, laugh, laugh.

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    Indifference huh.

    I said we should treat them like Canaanites.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    If someone has experienced something transformational, that cannot be explained away or argued against.
    I experienced a sudden flash of enlightenment (satori, in Buddhist terms) while I was splitting wood for the stove.

    Powerful, but there was no message. Here's the poem I wrote:

    Cutting firewood
    I split myself in half:
    One to suffer,
    One to laugh, laugh, laugh.
    Exactly Chip. We agree experiences are possibly real but not evidence.

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    Default Re: How to approach the teachings of Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Exactly Chip. We agree experiences are possibly real but not evidence.
    Did you understand the "no message" part?

    When those experiencing enlightenment, divine presence, or whatever impose their personal interpretations, there's a problem. They take the experience as support or license for their own desires. Pretty evident with the prophets in the bible and evangelical horndogs in the present day.

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