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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    It seems reasonable. Oh, and it's not my beloved Cochrane Review system. I put it forward before because it is considered the gold standard for reviews. I don't have personal attachment to it just professional. Please don't project, it really does nothing for the discussion.

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Tend to agree with Lloyd on this.
    Me too. I have very few criticisms about how all of this has been handled in the US, given the circumstances.

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    It's not an irrational (or rational) hatred of Trump. Both sides of the aisle accepted the vaccine which was developed during Trump's administration.
    As this type of thread seems destined to wind up in the gutter, I'm going to go into other, more pleasant, areas of the internet.

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    As this type of thread seems destined to wind up in the gutter, I'm going to go into other, more pleasant, areas of the internet.
    You're likely right.

    I'm going out to mow. Things are finally greening in my part of Maine.

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    ....

    As this type of thread seems destined to wind up in the gutter, I'm going to go into other, more pleasant, areas of the internet.
    You're likely right.

    I'm going out to mow. Things are finally greening in my part of Maine.
    That sounds better than going elsewhere on the internet.

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    It's not an irrational (or rational) hatred of Trump. Both sides of the aisle accepted the vaccine which was developed during Trump's administration.
    As this type of thread seems destined to wind up in the gutter, I'm going to go into other, more pleasant, areas of the internet.

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    More untruths, and to be perfectly honest you seem to have been rather disingenuous in your posts. This is how these types of threads end up "in the gutter".

    Both the current President and Vice President raised doubt about the vaccine during the election cycle. Leftist media criticized the development timeline, arguing it couldn't be done, and/or that it wouldn't be safe since Trump was pressuring the CDC to accelerate trials and approval. Those concerns evaporated after the election, strangely, as did the memory of them.

    I still have concerns about the thoroughness of the trials.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post

    I still have concerns about the thoroughness of the trials.
    Data collection in these (epidemiological, short time frame due to transmission and hospitalization rate, broad audience) situations is fraught with issues. It's up to the statistical analyses to determine what can and can't be determined from the data and at what confidence/risk level.

    If you're so concerned, don't take the shots and stay out of the populace. This isn't about individual health. It's a societal health issue.

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    By the way, dneal, what forum will you be debating this in from the opposite perspective? Were you on your high school debate team?

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    You seem determined to drag this thread down.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    I think this thread will likely go the way of most others here with or without me. You even said you come here intending to f-k around with the others, regardless which side of the aisle they're on.
    It's not just the far left, but that's what predominately resides here. There are plenty of far right places I visit, and I fuck with those guys too.

    So be it. It's not the real world. It's an internet forum, and has zero impact on my life. I'll play along and post as it suits me. It's occasional entertainment during a week of rain. A virtual round of whack-a-moron. Chuck's the only one who'll regularly play, but Chip does pop up on occasion.
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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    I’m not a hypocrite about it though. You should revisit the entirety of that quote you truncated.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Thing is, it seems everyone here has their opinion and you want to disrupt/challenge their opinion, not because you believe differently, but because you enjoy the debate. However, the others feel that they ARE their opinion and become maddened. In most peaceful debates, the parties choose sides of an issue while maintaining emotional distance, like yourself. The others here are sincere in their opinions but you seem to be here to mess with them. I don't think you're trying to expand the others views (something I support), I think your trying to "f-k with them".

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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    By the way, I re-read your full post and I still feel you're a hypocrite. You say that you wish it weren't like it is, but you keep taking the same approach with the same people knowing that you're taking part in it going down the same way. Different topic but same approach. I'm only calling you out as you seem to be the one that isn't emotionally attached to their own opinion.

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    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    You said you were going to other, more pleasant areas of the internet, yet here you still are.

    If you were really interested, you could send a PM. We both know you're not.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    It's not rocket science. People want to discuss these matters. What they would prefer though is to do it in a less combative arena. Your presentation is in question here, not the substance of your arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    It's not rocket science. People want to discuss these matters. What they would prefer though is to do it in a less combative arena. Your presentation is in question here, not the substance of your arguments.
    Bravo for condensing so much irony, in so many different angles, into one succinct post.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    I don’t understand why the same people come here to communicate their opinions in an unmoderated forum then complain. I’m not than thinned skin, but when things don’t go your way you whine. Put @dneal on your ignore list and be done with it, just don’t pretend you are taking a higher road than he is.

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    I don't see anyone "complaining" here, Chuck (although I don't see some posters' comments unless they are quoted). I just see some people explaining why they do or don't participate or respond to certain lines of inquiry or tone. But, as I say, I am not aware of all of the posts.

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    Sounds like complaining to me. If you don't like an unmoderated forum, don't participate. I like it and don't mind what comes with it.

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    Default Re: Vaccine thread - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    I like it and don't mind what comes with it.
    Awesome. That explains why you post here so often, and perhaps why you and dneal spin into so many dances of aspersions. As he stated, he likes "playing" and "fucking with" people here. Have at it all you want.

    Some of the rest of us have to moderate our involvement in various ways.

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