Vaccine thread - part 2

[Chip]

On other forums men say they have long Covid or just are inflected.

Not to argue your point, but some typos are too delicious to ignore. One hopes they don't inflict their disease on the uninflected.

in·flec·tion | inˈflekSH(ə)n |
noun

1 A change in the form of a word (typically the ending) to express a grammatical function or attribute such as tense, mood, person, number, case, and gender: a set of word forms differing only in respect of inflections.
• the process or practice of inflecting words.

2 The modulation of intonation or pitch in the voice: she spoke slowly and without inflection | the variety of his vocal inflections.
• the variation of the pitch of a musical note.

3 A change of curvature from convex to concave at a particular point on a curve: the point of inflection of the bell-shaped curve.

[Lloyd]

Maybe “we” overestimated their ability to combat it.

Unfortunately, there may have been a greater effort to deflect the facts from "we" than to protect "we" in the early crucial days.

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[Bold2013]

Facts like masks and lock downs didn’t stop nature?

[Chuck Naill]

I always considered distancing and masks as precautions rather than guarantees agains infection. Same as hand washing and maintaining a clean counter top when cooking.

You being a doctor, it surprises me of your cavalier approach to epidemiology. Would you want a surgeon operating on you without infection control, masks, and gloves?

[Lloyd]

Facts like masks and lock downs didn’t stop nature?

Stop, no. Reduce the effects of, yes.

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[Chuck Naill]

Don’t go to a doctor like Bold. It could be lethal.

[TSherbs]

About the Birx book on the Trump adminsistration's response to the pandemic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...9iq45lzzboQZRw

[Chuck Naill]

Gives an insight on Trump.

Had anyone here challenged someone who knows? Not saying it can’t be warranted, but not someone with the skill set of Trump.

[TSherbs]

Facts like masks and lock downs didn’t stop nature?

Really, Bold?

[Chip]

Unfortunately, there may have been a greater effort to deflect the facts from "we" than to protect "we" in the early crucial days.

If you bother to read the linked story comparing the US and Australia, it will be clear that public health measures do have a positive effect. While having a goofball president who tried to pass it off as no worse than a cold, and worried more about the damper on corporate profits than saving lives definitely increased the death toll. Politicizing vaccines and masks, etc. with nutjob christians insisting on their sacred right to spread the virus and the RWW loonies claiming it was some sort of Jewish/liberal conspiracy that should be resisted certainly cost thousands more lives.

[Lloyd]

Unfortunately, there may have been a greater effort to deflect the facts from "we" than to protect "we" in the early crucial days.

If you bother to read the linked story comparing the US and Australia, it will be clear that public health measures do have a positive effect. While having a goofball president who tried to pass it off as no worse than a cold, and worried more about the damper on corporate profits than saving lives definitely increased the death toll. Politicizing vaccines and masks, etc. with nutjob christians insisting on their sacred right to spread the virus and the RWW loonies claiming it was some sort of Jewish/liberal conspiracy that should be resisted certainly cost thousands more lives.

That this happened early on, when numbers were low, brought the R value well above 1. So, a few individuals with the virus led to an uncontainable virus.

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[TSherbs]

British study results:

20 million lives worldwide saved by COVID vaccine (1.9 million in the US):

https://apnews.com/article/covid-sci...d704c14ee224b5

[dneal]

British study results:

20 million lives worldwide saved by COVID vaccine (1.9 million in the US):

https://apnews.com/article/covid-sci...d704c14ee224b5

Is this modeling estimate from the same Imperial College whose modeling grossly overestimated covid deaths at the start of the pandemic?

[Chuck Naill]

Vaccines work.

[dneal]

Did you get covid after being vaccinated?

[kazoolaw]

Admittedly anecdotally, we have a number of friends/acquaintances who were up to date with vacs and boosters coming down with long covid. And I understand the counter that without either/both they would have been much worse.

[Chuck Naill]

Thanks for reviving a vaccine discussion. Maybe for the newer participants, they will come appreciate what we’ve been up against for 2.5 years and for why it got heated at times.

Obviously, the data supports getting a vaccine to prevent hospitalization and death.

[dneal]

What data? Pfizer hasn't finished the court-ordered release of data yet.

[Chuck Naill]

I’ll let someone else explain it to you, @dneal.

[dneal]

They'll have to wait for Pfizer to release the remainder of the data first, otherwise they're "explaining" something they haven't reviewed.