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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Medievalist View Post
    Not all people are straight
    Male
    White
    Cis-Gendered

    Not all families are white, or hetero, or have two parents.

    So if you're 5 and all the books you see at school, all the pictures in books, show white families with a male and a female, but you're mom is a single parent
    or your dad is a single parent
    Or you have two dads and no mom
    or you're Asian, or a PoC or Native American — you're going to feel like Your Family Is Wrong, or Not a real family

    Or

    If you feel like you're in the wrong body or that because you have a "male" body but you like "female" activities — or you feel like really, you're a boy but in a girl's body — if you feel like you're broken —

    What about those kids? Don't they deserve to know that they can make choices about how to be?
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    And this is why the American education system is the best in the world.
    We attained or low ranking before all of this was added. America lack appreciation of teachers. It lacks adequate support for the sciences, mathematics. Look at the salaries of most middle and high school teachers. Any good mathematician is going to go into industry over teaching just to make more money.

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

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    I don't have a problem with the issues themselves. One can be or do whatever they want (after the age of consent and/or majority).

    My biggest issue is that there aren't additional hours in the day, however, so something within the traditional education scheme would be getting shorted. Might explain why I discovered my son never learned the days of the months, for example.

    Some of the topics just seem weird. Teaching 3rd graders how to use medicines correctly? Seems a little early, and not necessarily the responsibility of the school system..
    It's basically the same thing you probably got: Don't take candy from strangers. Don't take someone else's medication. The document is written for and from the persepctive of educators, not parents.
    I didn’t get any of that in school. I agree about the perspective of the document. What is not being taught now, in order to fit these new topics in the curriculum, is what concerns me. Civics appears to be a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    I don't have a problem with the issues themselves. One can be or do whatever they want (after the age of consent and/or majority).

    My biggest issue is that there aren't additional hours in the day, however, so something within the traditional education scheme would be getting shorted. Might explain why I discovered my son never learned the days of the months, for example.

    Some of the topics just seem weird. Teaching 3rd graders how to use medicines correctly? Seems a little early, and not necessarily the responsibility of the school system..
    It's basically the same thing you probably got: Don't take candy from strangers. Don't take someone else's medication. The document is written for and from the persepctive of educators, not parents.
    I didn’t get any of that in school. I agree about the perspective of the document. What is not being taught now, in order to fit these new topics in the curriculum, is what concerns me. Civics appears to be a victim.
    Hour about what's being taught poorly and dispassionately?

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    And this is why the American education system is the best in the world.
    We attained or low ranking before all of this was added. America lack appreciation of teachers. It lacks adequate support for the sciences, mathematics. Look at the salaries of most middle and high school teachers. Any good mathematician is going to go into industry over teaching just to make more money.

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    Well this trend won’t help things.

    Is following the money such a bad thing?

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    And this is why the American education system is the best in the world.
    We attained or low ranking before all of this was added. America lack appreciation of teachers. It lacks adequate support for the sciences, mathematics. Look at the salaries of most middle and high school teachers. Any good mathematician is going to go into industry over teaching just to make more money.

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    Well this trend won’t help things.

    Is following the money such a bad thing?
    No. Placing the money outside of public education IS a bad thing. How about spending less on football and more on STEM faculty?

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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    M: No it isn't!

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    Well I don’t want public money going to teach kids anti science gender stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Well I don’t want public money going to teach kids anti science gender stuff.
    Where do you want them to learn this... surfing the net or with some other kids?
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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Do you feel that religion, not broad theology but one specific faith, should be part of school?

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Absolutely!

    I can recommend the Church of Dave.

    Runs every weekend and twice on Tuesdays.

    All are welcome for brunch and may, if they are feeling energetic, spank their own chicken.





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    Does chicken spanking lead to chicken choking or monkey spanking, which is said to cause hairy palms (not psalms) and blindness, then not on my dime. Besides, won't PETA complain?
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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Hey, I'm just following the science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Hey, I'm just following the science.
    Ah, the new math.

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    You boys are bad.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medievalist View Post
    Not all people are straight
    Male
    White
    Cis-Gendered

    Not all families are white, or hetero, or have two parents.

    So if you're 5 and all the books you see at school, all the pictures in books, show white families with a male and a female, but you're mom is a single parent
    or your dad is a single parent
    Or you have two dads and no mom
    or you're Asian, or a PoC or Native American — you're going to feel like Your Family Is Wrong, or Not a real family

    Or

    If you feel like you're in the wrong body or that because you have a "male" body but you like "female" activities — or you feel like really, you're a boy but in a girl's body — if you feel like you're broken —

    What about those kids? Don't they deserve to know that they can make choices about how to be?
    You boys are bad.
    ?

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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medievalist View Post
    Not all people are straight
    Male
    White
    Cis-Gendered

    Not all families are white, or hetero, or have two parents.

    So if you're 5 and all the books you see at school, all the pictures in books, show white families with a male and a female, but you're mom is a single parent
    or your dad is a single parent
    Or you have two dads and no mom
    or you're Asian, or a PoC or Native American — you're going to feel like Your Family Is Wrong, or Not a real family

    Or

    If you feel like you're in the wrong body or that because you have a "male" body but you like "female" activities — or you feel like really, you're a boy but in a girl's body — if you feel like you're broken —

    What about those kids? Don't they deserve to know that they can make choices about how to be?
    You boys are bad.
    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Well I don’t want public money going to teach kids anti science gender stuff.
    Gender is not *only* the genetic component, which, by the way, actually comes in more than the just two binary pairs. That's the genetic science.

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    And this is why people with “privilege” avoid government schools.

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    And why Virginia’s governor isn’t a democrat

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    And this is why people with “privilege” avoid government schools.
    To avoid science and learning that some people are born with only one sex chromosome? Or with three? People avoid public schools to avoid these facts?

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    Default Re: I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    And this is why people with “privilege” avoid government schools.
    Have you performed an extensive survey to verify this hypothesis, or did this come from your beliefs?

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