I understand the Florida "don't say gay" law now...

[dneal]

My problem with the law in Florida is that it puts a chill (threat) on teachers of students who live in households with lgbtq+ parents and siblings and relatives and freinds and neighbors (etc) who the teachers may no longer feel free to mention or refer to or even acknowledge in any supportive or educational way before grade 4. In essence, the bill legally "others" those children's households and legally prevents teachers from discussing sexual orientation or identity prior to grade 4. My school, for example, would be in breach of this law, because we know from research and from experience that culturally "othering" children in certain family structures and dynamics increases their likelihood for social-emotional disorders and risks to their health, even, or especially, in these formative years when children are inculcating all these cultural messages about what is legitimate (and worthy of recognition and commendation) and what is not. This law does mean, for example, no more books about two dads or two moms before grade 4. Even though four of the kids in the room may have gay parents. What if we said that we could not teach books about mixed race parents until grade 4? Or about un-married mothers? I am supposing that there would be some (legitimate) outrage.

Fair points, well articulated, that I can’t necessarily disagree with.

Thanks

[Bold2013]

I don’t mind being razed.

What bothers me is this facade of wanting to have civil discussions when in reality it’s just an opportunity to virtue signal while being cheered on by an echo chamber.

[TSherbs]

I don’t mind being razed.

What bothers me is this facade of wanting to have civil discussions when in reality it’s just an opportunity to virtue signal while being cheered on by an echo chamber.

How about if you said something specific about the law or the original post?

[dneal]

Actually the posted PMs showed I was being truthful. My beef with it was not about the content but the action. Low class, unethical.

As for anything else you say... well, who cares.

You initiated the same action. You divulged the content of PMs publicly. My posting a screenshot of those PMs removed any interpretation from either of us. Same action, different method. We both know why you decry the latter. It proved you were lying.

To answer the last sentence - apparently you do.

[Bold2013]

I don’t mind being razed.

What bothers me is this facade of wanting to have civil discussions when in reality it’s just an opportunity to virtue signal while being cheered on by an echo chamber.

How about if you said something specific about the law or the original post?

Good law with imperfections.

Our school system keeps discussion about sexual orientation/identity up to parents rather than teachers. However the state government is pushing for more woke ideology so it won’t be long unless a law like this becomes more widespread.

[Empty_of_Clouds]

We both know why you decry the latter. It proved you were lying.

Actually it showed that it was you that was lying. As you are lying now. And as all of your future posts will be seen through that lens.

[Lloyd]

Not just to dneal- it might help if we didn't call each other names, but called specific actions of theirs "how we see them". dneal, I don't view you solely in negatives. I deeply appreciated your knowledge in the Ukraine thread. I feel the same regarding everyone else here. There are behaviors here that I dislike, but not people.

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[Empty_of_Clouds]

There are behaviors here that I dislike, but not people.

Worthy of being quoted.


Back to the general area of the topic of the thread, this afternoon (NZ time) I attended a lecture which consisted of a showing of Killing us Softly 4 by Jean Kilbourne. The presentation was all about the objectification of both women and men (but mostly women) in advertising media through the last 50 years, and the social consequences that this has led to. Definitely worth a watch if you can find it.

It is relevant to this thread because it shows just how deeply entrenched the binary paradigm of sexuality/gender is in our society, and how only lip-service (if that) is offered to individuals or groups that choose other identities.

[Lloyd]

There are behaviors here that I dislike, but not people.

Worthy of being quoted.

Hey! No quoting with attributing!

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[Empty_of_Clouds]

Sorry.

LLOYD SAID IT!

[Lloyd]

Sorry.

LLOYD SAID IT!

Thanks, I live off of my royalties.

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[Lloyd]

dneal, sorry for this being delayed, but please give a big "thank you" to your sister-in-law. As the father of a special needs adolescent, she deserves to get double her salary.. regardless of what her salary is.

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[TSherbs]

There are behaviors here that I dislike, but not people.

Worthy of being quoted.


Back to the general area of the topic of the thread, this afternoon (NZ time) I attended a lecture which consisted of a showing of Killing us Softly 4 by Jean Kilbourne. The presentation was all about the objectification of both women and men (but mostly women) in advertising media through the last 50 years, and the social consequences that this has led to. Definitely worth a watch if you can find it.

It is relevant to this thread because it shows just how deeply entrenched the binary paradigm of sexuality/gender is in our society, and how only lip-service (if that) is offered to individuals or groups that choose other identities.

I remember watching this when the first one came out. Revelatory for me. I remember also showing the second version to my high school students early in my career. The room was usually speechless when we were done. Speechless in the way that the cleaver of revelation often renders us mute.

[Chip]

Speechless in the way that the cleaver of revelation often renders us mute.

Seriously? What about the guillotine of enlightenment?

[Lloyd]

Speechless in the way that the cleaver of revelation often renders us mute.

Seriously? What about the guillotine of enlightenment?

What about the garotte of enthrallment? The straight razor of shock? The toenail clipper of ennui?

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[TSherbs]

Speechless in the way that the cleaver of revelation often renders us mute.

Seriously? What about the guillotine of enlightenment?

Sure, if you prefer that metaphor for "dumbstruck".

[TSherbs]

Speechless in the way that the cleaver of revelation often renders us mute.

Seriously? What about the guillotine of enlightenment?

What about the garotte of enthrallment? The straight razor of shock? The toenail clipper of ennui?

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Ha!

[Chip]

Call it the fog of metaphor.

How about The Black Hole of Religion?

[TSherbs]

Better than the Fog of War:

[Lloyd]

Better than the fog of fog.

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