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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    💔I hope you reconsider, EoC. When you are receptive of others, you can be a stellar contributor.

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    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post

    ...

    I sent a message to Christof with a simple direct and sincere question. If he/she honestly thought FPG would be nicer if I didn't take part then I would accept that decision and go.

    Christof, for his/her part has declined to make this decision, and doesn't want to judge
    ....
    Just to make things clear. It is not my wish that anyone should leave the forum because of this thread. I have never written that nor demanded it. The departure of a member is his sole decision which I have neither positively nor negatively influenced. Now that I have been mentioned in the post above, I think it is appropriate to share my response which I sent via PN.



    Thank you for your offer, but I must decline.

    It is not my intention, nor is it at my discretion to decide on the departure of a member. I have clearly written that I will not take sides.

    My post was intended as food for thought about what behavior is required for peaceful coexistence. In doing so, I deliberately refrained from innuendo or quotation. Everyone should judge for himself whether he feels addressed or not.

    But if you and other members want to play this game of accusation and defense I cannot change that.

    I'm sorry, but I can't help you with your decision.

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Guys! This exploded.

    A number of people on this forum can be snarky sometimes. And they can also be incredibly generous and forthcoming.

    Deep breath???? :-)

    Let's think about positive things to do for the forum, someone else had a very good post earlier in the thread.

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Rest and recharge. Peace, brother.

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Edit: content removed as it is clear you (Robalone) want to lay all the ills of the forum at my door. It's not constructive.
    Whoa dude….I’m not playing ….check who you reply to .

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Perhaps the forum and the members would benefit by taking a big breath and having a reset.
    I don't know. Sometimes the slash-and-burn method produces the best forests.

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    That's tough on people tho.

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by manoeuver View Post
    A lot of people are in a great deal of pain.
    This is a good reminder, manoeuver

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    Perhaps the forum and the members would benefit by taking a big breath and having a reset.
    I don't know. Sometimes the slash-and-burn method produces the best forests.

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    That's tough on people tho.
    It was a long winter....I can use a bit of heat.

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    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    The "Politics, Religion, and Culture" sub-forum has turned into the "Lord of the Flies". Unfortunate, there's now a bridge from that subforum to the rest of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    The "Politics, Religion, and Culture" sub-forum has turned into the "Lord of the Flies". Unfortunate, there's now a bridge from that subforum to the rest of this forum.

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    My father taught me to avoid certain topics on most parties: money, religion, and politics.
    Good advice. If you stay in contact with something for long enough, you become part of it.

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    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Be aware that well-practiced manipulation techniques were just applied...again. I suggest not being taken in or feeling sorry.

    This very same pattern has been exhibited over the years that have sought to shift responsibility, blame and even guilt for misbehavior onto other members as part of some kind of emotional neediness. Then there are these publicly declared departures to elicit sympathy - only to drift back into the forum again for a honeymoon period until the misbehavior begins anew. A search on member ID and the word "goodbye" will show just a sliver of the history and the grudges.

    Like a close call with a con artist, learn the lesson what to watch out for and ignore, then move on to enjoy this community with the majority of its members and our pens!

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    part of the fun of fora is slinging shit once in a while and I'm fairly adept at it.

    my policy is don't throw the first turd in an on-topic section of a forum, and never hesitate to defend a friend.

    The politics area of FPG has become too toxic and useless even for me. I just don't go in there anymore, problem solved.

    The way things go astray in the other areas of FPG is really strange. It oscillates.

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Be aware that well-practiced manipulation techniques were just applied...again. I suggest not being taken in or feeling sorry.

    This very same pattern has been exhibited over the years that have sought to shift responsibility, blame and even guilt for misbehavior onto other members as part of some kind of emotional neediness. Then there are these publicly declared departures to elicit sympathy - only to drift back into the forum again for a honeymoon period until the misbehavior begins anew. A search on member ID and the word "goodbye" will show just a sliver of the history and the grudges.

    Like a close call with a con artist, learn the lesson what to watch out for and ignore, then move on to enjoy this community with the majority of its members and our pens!
    Exactly! It plays on one's instincts of fairness and compassion. Don't fall for it.

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    I'm not proud of how that turned out…

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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by An old bloke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Be aware that well-practiced manipulation techniques were just applied...again. I suggest not being taken in or feeling sorry.

    This very same pattern has been exhibited over the years that have sought to shift responsibility, blame and even guilt for misbehavior onto other members as part of some kind of emotional neediness. Then there are these publicly declared departures to elicit sympathy - only to drift back into the forum again for a honeymoon period until the misbehavior begins anew. A search on member ID and the word "goodbye" will show just a sliver of the history and the grudges.

    Like a close call with a con artist, learn the lesson what to watch out for and ignore, then move on to enjoy this community with the majority of its members and our pens!
    Exactly! It plays on one's instincts of fairness and compassion. Don't fall for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christof View Post
    I'm not proud of how that turned out…
    I believe it was always going to turn out that way christof so don't beat yourself up over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by An old bloke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Be aware that well-practiced manipulation techniques were just applied...again. I suggest not being taken in or feeling sorry.

    This very same pattern has been exhibited over the years that have sought to shift responsibility, blame and even guilt for misbehavior onto other members as part of some kind of emotional neediness. Then there are these publicly declared departures to elicit sympathy - only to drift back into the forum again for a honeymoon period until the misbehavior begins anew. A search on member ID and the word "goodbye" will show just a sliver of the history and the grudges.

    Like a close call with a con artist, learn the lesson what to watch out for and ignore, then move on to enjoy this community with the majority of its members and our pens!
    Exactly! It plays on one's instincts of fairness and compassion. Don't fall for it.
    This.
    Call me gullible but I hope EoC reconsiders. I think at times he contributed amply and I think he needs a supportive community, something this forum has the potential to achieve.

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    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
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    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    I’ll need a Cliffs Notes version to follow this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by christof View Post
    I'm not proud of how that turned out…
    ...so don't beat yourself up over it...
    Why should I beat up myself? When I say that I am not proud of how that turned out, I mean that I am not proud of how the froum handled this. And I am part of the forum.
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    Default Re: Is FPGeeks still a pleasant place to stay?

    Quote Originally Posted by manoeuver View Post
    A lot of people are in a great deal of pain.
    This, certainly.

    When people are negative, there is generally a reason. For some, it is not meant to be negative, but maybe they have problems expressing themselves. For others, they are impatient with anyone who does not agree with them. Occasionally, people post things some take as negative because they really believe with all their hearts that they are correct, and are perhaps preventing damage. And some people are in pain or have some other problem they are dealing with.

    That problem can be physical or mental pain. It can be mental illness of a mild or powerful degree. It may be financial, or social, or spiritual for those who define a portion of themselves that way. The past few years with the pandemic and all the fallout from that have clearly added to the burdens people are carrying - there is a lot of research going on about it, it is not just blaming whatever is out there. So more people are in varying sorts of pain than usual, whatever usual is.

    Are some people nasty? Yes, anywhere. Do the reasons vary from just liking to be mean to all sorts of complex interactions? Yes. Personally, unless it is very clearly directed at me as a personal jab, I really try to ignore it.

    Overall, I find the people of this board to be kind and truly generous. I have had a number of really kind overtures of various kinds from a wide group of members here over the years, including recently. So, for me, yes, it is a pleasant place to hang out.

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