💔I hope you reconsider, EoC. When you are receptive of others, you can be a stellar contributor.
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💔I hope you reconsider, EoC. When you are receptive of others, you can be a stellar contributor.
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M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
Just to make things clear. It is not my wish that anyone should leave the forum because of this thread. I have never written that nor demanded it. The departure of a member is his sole decision which I have neither positively nor negatively influenced. Now that I have been mentioned in the post above, I think it is appropriate to share my response which I sent via PN.
Thank you for your offer, but I must decline.
It is not my intention, nor is it at my discretion to decide on the departure of a member. I have clearly written that I will not take sides.
My post was intended as food for thought about what behavior is required for peaceful coexistence. In doing so, I deliberately refrained from innuendo or quotation. Everyone should judge for himself whether he feels addressed or not.
But if you and other members want to play this game of accusation and defense I cannot change that.
I'm sorry, but I can't help you with your decision.
Last edited by christof; May 12th, 2022 at 03:01 AM.
carlos.q (May 12th, 2022), catbert (May 12th, 2022), Chrissy (May 12th, 2022), jar (May 12th, 2022), Jon Szanto (May 12th, 2022), Sailor Kenshin (May 12th, 2022)
Guys! This exploded.
A number of people on this forum can be snarky sometimes. And they can also be incredibly generous and forthcoming.
Deep breath???? :-)
Let's think about positive things to do for the forum, someone else had a very good post earlier in the thread.
Rest and recharge. Peace, brother.
amk (May 13th, 2022)
empliau (May 12th, 2022), Jon Szanto (May 12th, 2022)
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
Sailor Kenshin (May 12th, 2022)
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
Be aware that well-practiced manipulation techniques were just applied...again. I suggest not being taken in or feeling sorry.
This very same pattern has been exhibited over the years that have sought to shift responsibility, blame and even guilt for misbehavior onto other members as part of some kind of emotional neediness. Then there are these publicly declared departures to elicit sympathy - only to drift back into the forum again for a honeymoon period until the misbehavior begins anew. A search on member ID and the word "goodbye" will show just a sliver of the history and the grudges.
Like a close call with a con artist, learn the lesson what to watch out for and ignore, then move on to enjoy this community with the majority of its members and our pens!
bunnspecial (May 12th, 2022), Chrissy (May 12th, 2022), CrayonAngelss (May 12th, 2022), dneal (May 12th, 2022), eachan (May 12th, 2022), jar (May 12th, 2022), Jon Szanto (May 12th, 2022), kazoolaw (November 7th, 2022), Prettypenguin (May 13th, 2022), Ray-VIgo (May 13th, 2022), Sailor Kenshin (May 12th, 2022), Seattleite (May 12th, 2022)
part of the fun of fora is slinging shit once in a while and I'm fairly adept at it.
my policy is don't throw the first turd in an on-topic section of a forum, and never hesitate to defend a friend.
The politics area of FPG has become too toxic and useless even for me. I just don't go in there anymore, problem solved.
The way things go astray in the other areas of FPG is really strange. It oscillates.
Beowulf50 (May 12th, 2022), dneal (May 12th, 2022), eachan (May 13th, 2022), Jon Szanto (May 12th, 2022), kia (May 14th, 2022)
I'm not proud of how that turned out…
Lloyd (May 12th, 2022)
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
TSherbs (May 12th, 2022)
I’ll need a Cliffs Notes version to follow this.
jar (May 12th, 2022)
Lloyd (May 12th, 2022)
This, certainly.
When people are negative, there is generally a reason. For some, it is not meant to be negative, but maybe they have problems expressing themselves. For others, they are impatient with anyone who does not agree with them. Occasionally, people post things some take as negative because they really believe with all their hearts that they are correct, and are perhaps preventing damage. And some people are in pain or have some other problem they are dealing with.
That problem can be physical or mental pain. It can be mental illness of a mild or powerful degree. It may be financial, or social, or spiritual for those who define a portion of themselves that way. The past few years with the pandemic and all the fallout from that have clearly added to the burdens people are carrying - there is a lot of research going on about it, it is not just blaming whatever is out there. So more people are in varying sorts of pain than usual, whatever usual is.
Are some people nasty? Yes, anywhere. Do the reasons vary from just liking to be mean to all sorts of complex interactions? Yes. Personally, unless it is very clearly directed at me as a personal jab, I really try to ignore it.
Overall, I find the people of this board to be kind and truly generous. I have had a number of really kind overtures of various kinds from a wide group of members here over the years, including recently. So, for me, yes, it is a pleasant place to hang out.
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