Another religious abuse scandal

[TSherbs]

This time the Southern Baptists:

NBC News: Report: Top Southern Baptists stonewalled clergy sex abuse victims.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tims-rcna30029

More abuse of the vulnerable, more abuse of religious power, more secrecy, denial, and passing of the buck.

Sue, sue, sue. Make them pay.

[Lloyd]

Financial retribution for sex abuse, at any level, is insufficient retribution.

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[Chuck Naill]

Like I have been saying, lots of Christians but few disciples of Jesus.

The early church had a plurality of leaders including females and males.

When I was a young man working, a supervisor told me not to “dip my pen in company ink”. Maybe that should be in seminary.

[TSherbs]

Here's another review of the report. It is searing in scope. 703 known abusers, many serial predators. I have had evangelical acquaintances say that the Catholic clergy abuse scandals don't surprise them because they consider the RCC to be rotten. Well, looks like the protestant evangelical institutionality and hierarchy (uncentralized as it is) has the same abhorrent, criminal, immoral rot in it. Not a wit of difference. The same presumptuous male privilege and misplaced righteousness mixed with sexual perversion in false disguise.

The Southern Baptist Convention should be sued into bankruptcy, and they should be outlawed from practice for 50 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ver-up/629954/

[Chuck Naill]

Here's another review of the report. It is searing in scope. 703 known abusers, many serial predators. I have had evangelical acquaintances say that the Catholic clergy abuse scandals don't surprise them because they consider the RCC to be rotten. Well, looks like the protestant evangelical institutionality and hierarchy (uncentralized as it is) has the same abhorrent, criminal, immoral rot in it. Not a wit of difference. The same presumptuous male privilege and misplaced righteousness mixed with sexual perversion in false disguise.

The Southern Baptist Convention should be sued into bankruptcy, and they should be outlawed from practice for 50 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ver-up/629954/

MLK had his issues.

[Lloyd]

Here's another review of the report. It is searing in scope. 703 known abusers, many serial predators. I have had evangelical acquaintances say that the Catholic clergy abuse scandals don't surprise them because they consider the RCC to be rotten. Well, looks like the protestant evangelical institutionality and hierarchy (uncentralized as it is) has the same abhorrent, criminal, immoral rot in it. Not a wit of difference. The same presumptuous male privilege and misplaced righteousness mixed with sexual perversion in false disguise.

The Southern Baptist Convention should be sued into bankruptcy, and they should be outlawed from practice for 50 years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ver-up/629954/

Hopefully, people will realize the real intent of those at the top of these organizations in 50 years.

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[Chuck Naill]

More on the Baptist Church.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substac...m_medium=email

[Chip]

Reminds me of an old saying: Nobody screws like a good Christian at a revival.

The spirit seems to move from the waist on down.

[Pendragon]

Sue, sue, sue. Make them pay.

Sue, sue, sue does not make the leadership pay. It is not their money. Sending them to prison for 40 years or so will make them pay.

The Southern Baptist Convention should be sued into bankruptcy, and they should be outlawed from practice for 50 years.

So punish the innocent along with the guilty?

[Chuck Naill]

What the "leadership" probably will not do is change the system of a one man rule and denomination affiliations that force obedience.

My experience only, but most of the pastors I have worked with have little or no relationships with other men except their pastor friends. A comical thing occurred once where the pastor called the men together for a work day and didn't participate himself. This is not uncommon. When I was a deacon members would complain they didn't feel close to the pastor. Not sure how this occurs.

Again, my experience, pastors get into trouble counseling or with the female staff.

[Chuck Naill]

From the David Brooks OP-ED today.
"And yet when allegations of sexual abuse came, the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention betrayed it all. Those men — and they seem to have all been men — must have listened to hundreds of hours of pious sermons, read hundreds of high-minded theological books, recited thousands of hours of prayer, and yet all those true teachings and good beliefs had no effect on their actual behavior."

"The fact is, moral behavior doesn’t start with having the right beliefs. Moral behavior starts with an act — the act of seeing the full humanity of other people. Moral behavior is not about having the right intellectual concepts in your head. It’s about seeing other people with the eyes of the heart, seeing them in their full experience, suffering with their full suffering, walking with them on their path. Morality starts with the quality of attention we cast upon another."
This is why supporting a man like Donald Trump is impossible for a disciple of Jesus. Yes, others are just a bad, but with him there is no doubt.

[Chip]

One reason that potential rapists and abusers are drawn to authoritarian, patriarchal religion is that it offers them not only power to follow their urges, but institutional cover for doing so.

That the Catholic and Southern Baptist churches are safe havens for abusers is hardly a coincidence.

Gimme that old-time religion,
stay right there, on your knees. . .

[Chuck Naill]

One reason that potential rapists and abusers are drawn to authoritarian, patriarchal religion is that it offers them not only power to follow their urges, but institutional cover for doing so.

That the Catholic and Southern Baptist churches are safe havens for abusers is hardly a coincidence.

Gimme that old-time religion,
stay right there, on your knees. . .

Single moms want their children, especially sons to have a male role model. It was a responsibility I took seriously as a coach and teacher.

I saw young men want to go into the “ministry”. Most were a lost ball in tall weeds needing to be nurtured themselves, but they are free labor at camps and groups at churches.

[TSherbs]

And here comes more, from the RCC in Mississippi:

https://apnews.com/article/new-orlea...8909d8e82e87fb

Keep going after this criminal institutional rot. I hope they put people in prison and that the RCC of America is sued into non-existence.

[Chip]

If they lose cases, they can just appeal to the Holy Apostolic (excuse me, Supreme) Court of the United States.

[TSherbs]

No longer surprised by evidence of more massive Catholic abuse and cover-up: this time Illinois:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65652001

[Chip]

Time after time, it's traditional male authority figures who sexually molest and abuse children.

[Chuck Naill]

Will we see this abuse in trans males as well?

[TSherbs]

Will we see this abuse in trans males as well?

Do you mean, have males been abused who later become trans as a result?

Or do you mean "trans males" as abusers?

[Chuck Naill]

If a female becomes a male, does this sort of abuse follow?