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    When I heard about the latest shooting I thought or our member @tsherbs. He has said he intend to retire. How many of these senseless shootings abruptly destroy both the life and those who must carry on. I cannot imagine or want to imagine if my 4th graders were the ones whose lives ended yesterday. Can't imagine the horror of an educator's last day.

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    I appreciate the thought, Chuck. Yeah, rough day for educators. But nothing compared to the devastation on those families and that community. My wife teaches 2nd grade. She sobbed in the shower this morning and went to school in tears. But again, it's Uvalde where the devastation is. My retirement is irrelevant.

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    I sincerely hope there aren't deniers as there were with Sandy Hook.

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    The relevance of plans can make us unaware that they may never occur. It takes this to the brevity and uncertainty of our lives and those we love .

    No way an 18 year old should have had access to the money and ability to amass an arsenal. Apparently no one was paying attention.

    The Texas governor has again shown us who he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    The relevance of plans can make us unaware that they may never occur. It takes this to the brevity and uncertainty of our lives and those we love .

    No way an 18 year old should have had access to the money and ability to amass an arsenal. Apparently no one was paying attention.

    The Texas governor has again shown us who he is.
    At what aft should an individual be allowed to amass an arsenal? Some might say that, anyone that wants one should NOT have access to one.

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    Highlights the brokenness of our world

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    New Zealand and Australia responded to mass shootings in a rational way.

    What with our 2nd amendment whackjobs howling and the NRA sucking up money from the murder weapons industry to corrupt legislators, I'm afraid we're stuck in a hell of our own making.

    Too bad it's not the children of the responsible parties who suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Too bad it's not the children of the responsible parties who suffer.
    I prefer that no child suffers.


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    I heard an interesting interview late last night regarding this and other mass shootings. The interviewee said the common theme of all the mass shooters is that they are males from fatherless situations. He went on to say how boys are falling behind more and more in developing nations (at least in regards to education standards and suicide rates). I think the problem is bigger than guns (but gun control might be easier than fixing our fatherlessness and toxic sexism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    I heard an interesting interview late last night regarding this and other mass shootings. The interviewee said the common theme of all the mass shooters is that they are males from fatherless situations. He went on to say how boys are falling behind more and more in developing nations (at least in regards to education standards and suicide rates). I think the problem is bigger than guns (but gun control might be easier than fixing our fatherlessness and toxic sexism).
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ma...fatherless-us/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    I heard an interesting interview late last night regarding this and other mass shootings. The interviewee said the common theme of all the mass shooters is that they are males from fatherless situations. He went on to say how boys are falling behind more and more in developing nations (at least in regards to education standards and suicide rates). I think the problem is bigger than guns (but gun control might be easier than fixing our fatherlessness and toxic sexism).
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ma...fatherless-us/

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    Instead, that article claimed that seven of the deadliest mass shootings were perpetrated by males under the age of 30, and out of that seven, only one was raised by his biological father:


    Warren Farrell PhD, John Gray PhD who wrote The Boy Crisis (the interviewee) referenced this specific stat from your link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
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    I heard an interesting interview late last night regarding this and other mass shootings. The interviewee said the common theme of all the mass shooters is that they are males from fatherless situations. He went on to say how boys are falling behind more and more in developing nations (at least in regards to education standards and suicide rates). I think the problem is bigger than guns (but gun control might be easier than fixing our fatherlessness and toxic sexism).
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ma...fatherless-us/

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    Instead, that article claimed that seven of the deadliest mass shootings were perpetrated by males under the age of 30, and out of that seven, only one was raised by his biological father:


    Warren Farrell PhD, John Gray PhD who wrote The Boy Crisis (the interviewee) referenced this specific stat from your link.
    So, 6/30...20%. Cherry picking an analysis after the data has been viewed is improper use of statistics... unacceptable for hypothesis analysis.

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    6/7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    6/7
    Reducing the sample size after an analysis in order to make the statistics work towards one's goal is not permissible in statistical analysis (I'm a mathematician) . So, it's 6/30.

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    If the man had only a pocket knife, six bullets, or a sling shot, it would not have made any difference whether he lived with a biological parent. Had the door been locked, it wouldn't matter if the man had a father present or if he were under 30. The point is clear. Being able to freely access an assalt rifle and that many rounds of ammunition is the elephant in the room no Movement Conservative wants to discuss.

    Also, we should all read the Second Amendment. It has been redefined in a way that the framers never did intend. And, I am saying this as a gun owner and former hunter. I still love to shoot targets with the BB and pellet guns with my grandson.

    Most Americans want reasonable gun control, birth control, and moral decency. Presently we are held hostage by the minority.

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    “Presently we are held hostage by the minority”

    So true. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Also, we should all read the Second Amendment. It has been redefined in a way that the framers never did intend.
    Apparently “we” should also read the Heller decision, which addresses the language, usage and history very clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    Also, we should all read the Second Amendment. It has been redefined in a way that the framers never did intend.
    Apparently “we” should also read the Heller decision, which addresses the language, usage and history very clearly.
    Why would we?

    Seems objectively clear about its purpose. Had more to do with security of a free state than individual rights to keep a hand gun in the glove compartment.

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“

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    The NRA evolved from marksmanship to Movement Conservative Politics.

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    And now I read that NRA is having a shindig this weekend in Texas with Cruz and Donald speaking . There is just no sense of others.

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