Gun policy analysis thread.

[Lloyd]

True, true. But assault rifles?

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[TSherbs]

True, true. But assault rifles?

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The article quoted above wasn't about assault rifles. And I didn't make a comment about assault rifles. I commented on the article, which is about child deaths to any type of gun, including accidents and suicides.

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[Lloyd]

Much of the national and subforum discourse has revolved sought assault rifles. That's why I wrote that.

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[TSherbs]

..., I don't feel this much hubbub about guns is warranted, nor beneficial, at this time.

But you wrote this. You called it "hubbub about guns." That sounds dismissive, and it isn't about assault rifles. We are not, presently, involved in a national "hubbub about guns." And certainly not those who work in efforts to reduce child suicide!



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[Chip]

Can you give us any possible situation in which having more guns available will improve the situation, whether suicide, gang shootings, mass shootings, school shootings, domestic violence, etc.

Are you a Belgian waffle or just a regular one?

[TSherbs]

Can you give us any possible situation in which having more guns available will improve the situation, whether suicide, gang shootings, mass shootings, school shootings, domestic violence, etc.

Are you a Belgian waffle or just a regular one?

This question for Lloyd?

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[Chip]

For Lloyd.

[Lloyd]

It's about focusing on the most important and attainable action to help save young lives. Strict prohibition of handguns isn't going to happen in the short nor medium term. I don't think assault rifles have anything to do with youth suicide. However, escalating psych awareness, reducing bullying in person and on line, teaching our youth to NOT debate issues the way that's happening in this subforum, etc. are things that can help.
We all know that sugar, refined grains, and heavily processed foods are greatly responsible for the obesity/metabolic-syndrome epidemic in the USA. Should we be spending all our efforts trying to ban these products as they are responsible for incredible amounts of sickness and death? No... it would take too much effort at this time.

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[TSherbs]

The study did not recommend "strict prohibition." It showed a correlation between easy access in a home and increased child deaths. Some states require guns in the home to be unloaded and locked up, for example.

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[Lloyd]

How do they enforce such a law?

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[TSherbs]

Here's another take on the radicalization of gun ownership in America (and gun ownership "identity"):

Ryan Busse with Trevor Noah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-m7NkBEFnY

[TSherbs]

How do they enforce such a law?

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I'm not the one to ask, I have no experience in the matter.

[Chuck Naill]

You two have reminded me I need to get my 410 shot gun shells more near the Stevens 410. Thanks!!

[kazoolaw]

Dictionaries don't define language; the language at a time and place define the dictionary.

Well, of course Lloyd. "Assault rifle" is an example of how people redefine terms to their political advantage. And an example of how some people don't pay attention enough to notice.

Change is a bitch.

“A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks,” observed Orwell. “It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.”
-George Orwell

[TSherbs]

Dictionaries don't define language; the language at a time and place define the dictionary.

Well, of course Lloyd. "Assault rifle" is an example of how people redefine terms to their political advantage. And an example of how some people don't pay attention enough to notice.

Change is a bitch.

“A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks,” observed Orwell. “It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.”
-George Orwell

Orwell was a repressed wanker (or should I say "onanist" to keep things Biblical?)



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[Chuck Naill]

Dictionaries don't define language; the language at a time and place define the dictionary.

Well, of course Lloyd. "Assault rifle" is an example of how people redefine terms to their political advantage. And an example of how some people don't pay attention enough to notice.

Change is a bitch.

“A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks,” observed Orwell. “It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.”
-George Orwell

Orwell was a repressed wanker (or should I say "onanist" to keep things Biblical?)



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One who "wastes their seed" so to speak.

[Chip]

How do they enforce such a law?

Other nations manage the problem.

For once, you might do your own research instead of falling into a helpless rhetorical crouch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand

[Lloyd]

How do they enforce such a law?

Other nations manage the problem.

For once, you might do your own research instead of falling into a helpless rhetorical crouch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand

This says that the owners need adequate means in their homes of securing their weapons. If doesn't say how anyone verifies of the safe is used.

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[TSherbs]

How do they enforce such a law?

Other nations manage the problem.

For once, you might do your own research instead of falling into a helpless rhetorical crouch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand

This says that the owners need adequate means in their homes of securing their weapons. If doesn't say how anyone verifies of the safe is used.

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Why are you asking this? Are you worried that no one will comply? That only some will? That only half will? That only 3/4 will? That only the compliant and conscientious will? How does the rate of compliance matter to you?

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[Lloyd]

How do they enforce such a law?

Other nations manage the problem.

For once, you might do your own research instead of falling into a helpless rhetorical crouch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand

This says that the owners need adequate means in their homes of securing their weapons. If doesn't say how anyone verifies of the safe is used.

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Why are you asking this? Are you worried that no one will comply? That only some will? That only half will? That only 3/4 will? That only the compliant and conscientious will? How does the rate of compliance matter to you?

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What's the point of a law, not a request, that can't be instituted?

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