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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Age and infirmity are catching up to me.
    You're not alone. I'm sorry for you, but, at least for me, some of the only things that help are levity and practicing kindness.

    Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    I appreciate the effort you made for the other readers here, Ether. I've recently had a rough battle with COVID, and I still have brain fog (virus still not cleared), and so I have to limit screentime and watching vids just makes me dizzy. The quotes you typed up for us here are intriguing.

    The only thing that I would add is that the traditional definitions of gender and parenting also have to be reexamined. That might be half the problem: the old boxes no longer work (the old flaws have had their full consequences now that the full weight of culture no longer presses people to suppress their discontent).
    Missed due to skimming. Wishing you a speedier recovery, Ted. The COVID bug scares me a lot. If I caught it I would likely end up as a statistic given my current health condition.
    Thanks, EoC. I am doing better now. That sucked. Worst flu I have had in decades. My wife had it too, mostly like a head cold. Not me. Mine was in my chest and stomach, and I spent three nights on the linoleum floor in the bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    I appreciate the effort you made for the other readers here, Ether. I've recently had a rough battle with COVID, and I still have brain fog (virus still not cleared), and so I have to limit screentime and watching vids just makes me dizzy. The quotes you typed up for us here are intriguing.

    The only thing that I would add is that the traditional definitions of gender and parenting also have to be reexamined. That might be half the problem: the old boxes no longer work (the old flaws have had their full consequences now that the full weight of culture no longer presses people to suppress their discontent).
    Missed due to skimming. Wishing you a speedier recovery, Ted. The COVID bug scares me a lot. If I caught it I would likely end up as a statistic given my current health condition.
    Thanks, EoC. I am doing better now. That sucked. Worst flu I have had in decades. My wife had it too, mostly like a head cold. Not me. Mine was in my chest and stomach, and I spent three nights on the linoleum floor in the bathroom.
    Time for a remodel.

    Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    With role models (fathers) such as Greitens, it's a wonder Republican/white supremacist/neo-nazi youth don't shoot up everything.

    Nothing like a steady diet of war movies, cop shows, shooter games, and FOX News to foster insanely aggressive impulses.

    In Ad, Shotgun-Toting Greitens Asks Voters to Go ‘RINO Hunting’

    A right-wing Senate candidate accompanies a squad of heavily armed men as they storm a home looking for ‘Republicans in name only.’
    Alan Feuer
    June 20, 2022



    Eric Greitens, a Republican candidate for the United States Senate in Missouri, released a violent new political advertisement on Monday showing himself racking a shotgun and accompanying a team of men armed with assault rifles as they stormed — SWAT team-style — into a home in search of “RINOs,” or Republicans in name only.

    “Join the MAGA crew,” Mr. Greitens, a former Navy SEAL, declares in the ad. “Get a RINO hunting permit. There’s no bagging limit, no tagging limit, and it doesn’t expire until we save our country.”

    The ad by Mr. Greitens was just the latest but perhaps most menacing in a long line of Republican campaign ads featuring firearms and seeking to equate hard-core conservatism with the use of deadly weapons.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/u...e=articleShare
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    Looks like he got the attention he wanted, too.

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    Not sure how Eric Greitens fits into this topic (seems a better fit for In Partibus Infidelium), but hopefully this kills off his political aspirations. The primary is on August 2nd. It'll be interesting what the next iteration of polling shows.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    When I see visuals like the Greitens ad, I think: "You wouldn't last long in Belfast, would ye now?" That room is just begging to be booby-trapped.

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    Yeah, that dude is just a poseur.

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    He’s a former Navy lieutenant commander.
    So much for thanking you for serving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    He’s a former Navy lieutenant commander.
    So much for thanking you for serving.
    Not in the ad, he isn't. He's a poseur, playing off his military background and the images of guns to pretend to be tough on liberals. He's a comic fraud in that ad.

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    It's exactly what's wrong with stupid, jingoistic political ads that trade on toxic stereotypes of masculinity.

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    He’s making $100k plus per year off the American ta payer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    He’s making $100k plus per year off the American ta payer.
    I don't think he holds any public office at present.

    Or is that his Navy Seal pension?

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    This is definitely worth a look. I posted a c & p version and another was just posted on the gun law thread.

    https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...862#post370862

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/04/o...e=articleShare

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    He may be a former Navy Lieutenant Commander, but why is he standing close enough to the other two guys in the photo that one grenade can take them all out? Okay, I also don't consider most officers "real" soldiers. For one thing, they don't get grubby enough and stinky enough.

    Or is it only me who internalized that instruction, and does not like to be within grenade-fragment distance of anyone else, especially in a crowd? We don't talk about how jumpy I was at lunch on 9/11, nearly all the way across the country on a university campus. I wanted to just yell at the students to spread the hell out instead of clumping. That was when nobody really had any idea what was going on yet. I did yell at the TV footage from the Pentagon, where so many people were wandering, perhaps dazed but otherwise uninjured, as the MPs/SPs/Security yelled at them to get away from the building now because there was another plane coming in. Not that my yelling at the TV would do a damn bit of good.

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    I have similar flashes from experience as a rock and ice climber, ski mountaineer, wildland firefighter, solo range rider, and wilderness ranger, as far as what seems like a dangerous situation. I'm really averse to crowds, especially when I'm boxed in on all sides. I also get nervous when I'm in a spot with no escape route. Quite often, I can sense an accident about to happen. Not being able to avoid it makes me feel awful.

    The advantage, I guess, was being able to work in wild and remote places, often alone, for more than thirty years, with only one lost-time accident. I also managed to keep my field crews and assistants safe and happy. There was a Harvard guy who tried to slice cheese for his lunch on his open palm: ouch!!!!

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    That ad to me was just total bullshit macho farce. It didn't trigger anything in me but scorn (obviously).

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    Ads appeal to our more least selves if we allow. For me the ad says “you are so stupid that I think this will appeal to you and you’re going to vote for me”.

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    It follows the playbook for aspiring authoritarian and fascist leaders: know what your prospective followers fear and hate.

    Identify the common enemy (Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, RINOs).

    Propose righteous violence as a solution.
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    Here, an opinion piece about male anxiety over the (century-long) rising empowerment of women...sparked by a Tucker Carlson comment that actually has some truth in it!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...lify-rcna37317

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