... and how will this impact the societal issues tied to guns?
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... and how will this impact the societal issues tied to guns?
Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
dneal (June 27th, 2022)
There are US states in which people are charged with murder if, for example, they shoot a pregnant woman with a gun and the shooting causes the baby (fetus, if you prefer, or foetus for that matter) to die, while in the same state elective abortion at a later state of development is legal.
Last edited by Niner; June 29th, 2022 at 10:38 PM. Reason: clarifican of US civic terminology
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
State Fetal Homicide Laws
andCurrently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization")
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
"A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."
I’ve already mentioned Scott Peterson being charged in the death of his wife and unborn child.
Ted, I think your wrangling with words. Obviously, the only thing that makes a unborn a person is whether or not it’s wanted.
Gangbi44 (July 6th, 2022)
Lloyd (June 30th, 2022)
Oh, as I heard old people say when I was a child, "do as I say, not as I do". As much as it may be difficult for you to admit, personhood is determined by the female wanting or not wanting the child. Only an irrational person with an agenda thinks a 15 week old fetus is any less human or an individual than either me or you.
Morality and law are not the same thing. Even the state laws covering fetal homicide mostly do not recognize "murder" unless the fetus is over 20 weeks gestation ("viability"). And if the mother causes the death, it is not "murder" at all (she can water-ski if she wants, or sky dive, or even commit a crime. If the fetus dies, she cannot be charged with "murder.") And all legal abortion deaths are not prosecutable as "murder." These fetal death laws are mostly about adding years of incarceration to felons (these laws apply to felony crimes only) who attack or harm mothers (or their unborn children).
My point is that the law(s) does not say the things that you do. These laws are not attempts to define when legal personhood begins, nor what "personhood" even means. And they are not making any moral definitions either, particularly since there are many exceptions or exemptions to the laws.
Gangbi44 (July 6th, 2022), Lloyd (June 30th, 2022), Prettypenguin (June 30th, 2022)
Lloyd (June 30th, 2022)
As previously stated, if you wanted the child, it’s a person.
Lloyd (June 30th, 2022)
As I've previously stated.
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