M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
It doesn't appear that anyone wants to address the specific issues being raised about the dangers to the health and welfare of women that pregnancies actually pose.
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In some states, this may be teenaged women raped and impregnated by male adult household members. They will have "no choice" about whether to continue that pregnancy or not of the state enacts an extreme law outlawing all abortions.
Yeah, "no choice."
I'm proud of my governor (Maine) stating publicly and enacting provisions to protect women from "any county" and "any state" if they come to Maine seeking treatment or an abortion. For now, women can still govern their own health and bodies in Maine. Not so much in several other states.
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Those are so rare when considering the majority of abortions. The proponents of abortion always use these events, which have always, even prior to RVW been available. Perhaps this resource will be helpful.
https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion
EricTheRed (July 14th, 2022)
Here is a short piece in The Atlantic, which I agree with:
"The Misogyny Is the Point
Roe was always about power."
By Molly Jong-Fast
JULY 06, 2022
https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/...bortion-bills/
I can't tell if it is behind a pay wall or not (I am not a subscriber, but I had to deke around to get a full view of the article)
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It just supports what you want to think, Ted. Which is fine!!
When the female said the male had no place in the decision, you didn't respond. Perhaps its because that's what you think. Fact is, if it takes two, both are invested.
EricTheRed (July 14th, 2022)
That would be TFarnon.
My purpose here is to advocate for reproductive and abortion choice for all women for any reason with no stipulations or regulations up to (at least) 20 weeks of gestation. I have said this repeatedly. Any one who posts things generally in support of my position or pointing in that direction generally dont get comment from me beyond a "well put" or something like that or a "like". Any one who posts to the contrary gets more comment from me. That's kind of the way it works.
And again, as I said before, no one is yet willing to address the issues brought up of the dangers and burdens of pregnancies that are direct threats to the livelihood and welfare and life of women. There is a thousands of years old reason women want the full and final say over their pregnancies. To ignore this is to be a misogynist. To place more value on a pea-sized embryo (at 6 weeks) in her womb than on her own choice for her body and its future and her mental health is to practice a kind of misogyny that women know and recognize all too well. They have long been seen and expected to conform to the idea of being primarily and exclusively the vessel of male seed and then of their children. It is patriarchal primacy in its clearest shape.
So, how can we find a way in law to compromise and find balance and not ignore the need to grant women independent equal to their male counterparts?
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Lloyd (July 6th, 2022)
We now know each others purpose, and they differ. I wish that you had been so honest prior to posting, Ted.
The compromise is free contraception. In the case of incest and rape, castrate the SOB using DNA. In the case of mother's health, do all you can, but preserve the mother. It is what she would want.
Last edited by Chuck Naill; July 6th, 2022 at 05:12 PM.
Whaaaat?
I have said the SAME THING about 5 times here and in other threads. I don't think you're paying attention.
Don't question my "honesty" on this topic, Chuck. That is the wrong route to take. I will not be "civil" if you persist with that kind of character remark.
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Lloyd (July 6th, 2022)
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
I think the mother, not just any woman, should decide. I don't think the father should have any more say than to discuss the situation with his partner.
Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
Prettypenguin (July 6th, 2022), TSherbs (July 6th, 2022)
I didn't call you "dishonest"! What could you be possibly talking about???
I have REPEATEDLY said what my position is here (elective abortion up to 20 weeks).
How have you overlooked this, leading you to suggest that I should have been more "honest" and said so earlier?
I even stated my position, and then asked for yours more than once before you answered directly (that you didn't know).
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Lloyd (July 6th, 2022)
Lloyd (July 6th, 2022), Prettypenguin (July 6th, 2022)
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
TSherbs (July 6th, 2022)
I am talking law/legal requirement for abortion. I am saying that I support abortion on demand; the pregnant woman need not speak to anyone but a doctor.
How couples (or simply the biological parents) actually conduct themselves prior to the procedure is up to them and can proceed in many different ways.
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I don't fully agree. As an example, of the woman gets overly depressed and a "good" partner doesn't want her to act too impulsively and do something she'd regret, he should have the right to try to support her as long as she has an added support mechanism in his presence.
Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
Last edited by Lloyd; July 6th, 2022 at 09:39 PM.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
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