The part that I bolded is a snipe (you label those who disagree with you as less thoughtful and as ethically inferior. You have done this several times in this thread). It's not true that "few" consider the personhood of a fetus, and that most do this out of "convenience."
Lloyd (July 5th, 2022)
I don't see any moral dilemma regarding abortion. As long as I (or any woman) am assuming the substantial risks of pregnancy, I (or any woman) should have the right to terminate that pregnancy at any point prior to birth. Men (XY men) will never know what it is to be pregnant. They will never assume the risks of pre-eclampsia, eclampsia, gestational diabetes, ectopic pregnancy, postpartum sepsis or postpartum hemorrhage. All of those are very real risks, and they are by no means all of the risks. I'd wager that only a very tiny fraction of men have seen their workday go from zero to sixty when a pregnant or recently delivered woman suddenly starts to bleed out. I've been part of that zero to sixty when the phone calls came into the blood bank, and I go from just moving briskly through my workload to looking like a pinball on crack as I race to assemble a massive transfusion pack or several. It can happen that quickly.
I didn't even mention the risks pregnant women encounter from the father of the growing fetus. Pregnancy is one of the times women are most likely to be killed by their partners. That one may be sociological rather than biological, but it's a significant risk all the same.
The only risk for men that truly comes close to pregnancy is going to war. As a woman who did go to war, as horrible as war was, I'd still rather go to war than ever be pregnant again. That was true even when I still was of childbearing age. That I was able to undergo elective sterilization a couple of years before enlisting was fortuitous chance.
I don't honestly think that any man should have a say in the matter. First of all, it isn't a child until such time that it can survive outside of the mother, and even then with severely premature infants, I believe that it is horrifically immoral to subject any living being, much less any mammal to the painful and invasive measures needed to bring that premature infant to a point where it can stably and reliably survive outside of the mother. I'm not even there in the neonatal intensive care unit. I'm just the tech who supplies blood and blood products. I only see what I read in the patient record as I try to anticipate future needs of rare, highly perishable products like CMV seronegative, irradiated compatible platelets.
A man doesn't risk his life with pregnancy. He doesn't. The mother does, and the risk is substantial.
Here's what, under the circumstances, my governor is doing:
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...ccbc1e7b6d82e8
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I was there in the NICU for my family and as a volunteer. It would be immoral in my opinion, and apparently most hospitals, not to attempt to save a premature child. Opinions like was expressed by a female is why all need to have a say. We can't live in a world where only a term child is considered appropriate to receive medical attention and be considered a person.
One thing nice about a forum is that everyone honestly shares their opinion. Even if I am shocked, I appreciate the honest opinions. Probably wouldn't get that over a beer at the pub.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
TFarnon (July 7th, 2022)
Is that what she was saying? I didn't read it that way.
What you might consider is looking at photos of premature children before deciding if such should be legally aborted. Perhaps you have and it isn't a concern as it is with me. My concern is that some are more bothered about sea turtles, puppies, and beached whales.
Forgive my snark. My snark was to highlight the inconsistency of modern progressive ideologies.
All I am saying is that dismissing or minimizing men’s opinions regard pro or anti life is sexist and a fallacy.
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Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
dneal (July 14th, 2022)
No one is denying anyone of any opinion on the subject. Heck, I can have any opinion I want on your faith. However, I can't restrict you from your choices. Why should men (or for that matter, anyone) determine what a woman can or can't do to protect her health?
Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
TFarnon (July 7th, 2022)
I’m always going to side with those that have no choice in the matter. I loved being a NICU volunteer and learned much.
We all have varied experiences and those experiences color our perceptions.
EricTheRed (July 14th, 2022)
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