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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    How about we castrate every male who gets a woman pregnant when she would rather not be pregnant?
    Unless I missed something in school, I think you'd be a bit too late.

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    ha!

    But when has lack of efficacy ever prevented us from exacting cruel punishments??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    How about we castrate every male who gets a woman pregnant when she would rather not be pregnant?
    Unless I missed something in school, I think you'd be a bit too late.

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    ha!

    But when has lack of efficacy ever prevented us from exacting cruel punishments??
    This reminds me of this joke
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.

    Then I realised that the Lord doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    Either a vasectomy or female contraception would eliminate the need for aborting human life.

    While too much information, I got a vasectomy decades ago because of my spouses health concerns.

    So, preventing pregnancy seems to be the most obvious and safe option. I am surprised it’s not more utilized.
    Contraception IS utilized, Chuck. Millions and millions of times a day all over the world. And also by MEN.

    You read one article about a few married women, and then you busted on them for not being smarter about becoming pregnant.

    I'm going to make my point plain: pregnancy is the the number one crusher of dreams and ambition and adult growth for women around the world. And they bear that burden disproportionate to men, who now abandon them when pregnant at higher rates than ever (not that it was ever "good"). Pregnancy and its complications are the number one health threat to women's bodies under the age of 40 and has the most profound effect on altering a damaging a woman's body. Freedom for women is tied to four things in the modern era: educational access, marital equality, legal equality (for business and finance), and reproductive control. Women (and the rest of society) must fight for all four of these pillars of female freedom because NONE of them have been traditionally granted them in the history of western society. NONE OF THEM. And some of them have been won only VERY RECENTLY in cultural terms. Some men want to take these gains back and pull out some of these pillars. Some men won't even acknowledge that these things are true nor that if true that they carry any continuing legacy today. But most women won't fucking say that. And even fewer will say it now that the SC has said (in its majority opinion) that Roe had no basis in law or cultural history prior. Well, no fucking shit. The litigants were trying to overturn centuries of legal confinement of women to pregnancies that they did not want (one of those pillars).

    They won. And for 50 years that victory stood and the fourth pillar of female independence from the disproportionate burden of pregnancy grew stronger.

    And now the foundation under that pillar has been removed. And women are now less free, less independent, and the patriarchal tradition of America has begun to re-tie women with the chains of pregnancy.

    So don't blame married women for getting pregnant. That's not the problem.
    I find it sad that your feel a baby is the “crusher” of dreams.

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    Do people here realize that most forms of contraception aren't 100%? People don't want to substitute contraception with abortion. What if contraception fails and you're on a med that frequently leads to fetuses with defects?

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    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Contraception

    If married, getting a vasectomy is 100% effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    If married, getting a vasectomy is 100% effective.
    They're not effective if you're single, widowed, or divorced?
    Actually, it takes up to a year to reach full efficacy - https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/top...info/effective

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    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Contraception IS utilized, Chuck. Millions and millions of times a day all over the world. And also by MEN.

    You read one article about a few married women, and then you busted on them for not being smarter about becoming pregnant.

    I'm going to make my point plain: pregnancy is the the number one crusher of dreams and ambition and adult growth for women around the world. And they bear that burden disproportionate to men, who now abandon them when pregnant at higher rates than ever (not that it was ever "good"). Pregnancy and its complications are the number one health threat to women's bodies under the age of 40 and has the most profound effect on altering a damaging a woman's body. Freedom for women is tied to four things in the modern era: educational access, marital equality, legal equality (for business and finance), and reproductive control. Women (and the rest of society) must fight for all four of these pillars of female freedom because NONE of them have been traditionally granted them in the history of western society. NONE OF THEM. And some of them have been won only VERY RECENTLY in cultural terms. Some men want to take these gains back and pull out some of these pillars. Some men won't even acknowledge that these things are true nor that if true that they carry any continuing legacy today. But most women won't fucking say that. And even fewer will say it now that the SC has said (in its majority opinion) that Roe had no basis in law or cultural history prior. Well, no fucking shit. The litigants were trying to overturn centuries of legal confinement of women to pregnancies that they did not want (one of those pillars).

    They won. And for 50 years that victory stood and the fourth pillar of female independence from the disproportionate burden of pregnancy grew stronger.

    And now the foundation under that pillar has been removed. And women are now less free, less independent, and the patriarchal tradition of America has begun to re-tie women with the chains of pregnancy.

    So don't blame married women for getting pregnant. That's not the problem.
    I find it sad that your feel a baby is the “crusher” of dreams.
    You need to read some more about the history of women in western society (and written by women).

    You do understand, right, that it was only in the last century that the courts began recognizing rape between husband and wife? Just think how many women were forced to carry to term the babies that their husbands forced on them against their will (rape). Let's count how many children were forced on men via rape by their wives ...um ...exactly zero. Never ever in ten thousand years.

    It's not "sad" that *I* feel this way. It's sad that Western society for centuries has denied women so much. For some reason you seem to have trouble extending your empathy to the women.



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    From BBC -
    US woman denied termination in Malta: 'I was terrified'
    This woman nearly died after her fetus became unviable at 16 weeks despite it still having a beating heart, and she couldn't get an abortion.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61959825

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    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    If married, getting a vasectomy is 100% effective.
    Almost
    Why a Vasectomy Might Fail

    A vasectomy can fail if the doctor misses the vas deferens during the procedure. In rare cases, the tube can regrow. If this does occur, the vas deferens is usually much smaller than it was before.

    Sometimes, sperm can make their way from one cut end of the vas deferens to the other. This is most common in the first three months after the procedure. That’s why your doctor will tell you to avoid having unprotected sex until you get confirmation that your semen is free of sperm.

    If your doctor finds sperm in repeat tests of your semen, you may need to have a second procedure.*Less than 1 percent*of vasectomies need to be repeated.
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    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Almost
    Why a Vasectomy Might Fail

    A vasectomy can fail if the doctor misses the vas deferens during the procedure. In rare cases, the tube can regrow. If this does occur, the vas deferens is usually much smaller than it was before.

    Sometimes, sperm can make their way from one cut end of the vas deferens to the other. This is most common in the first three months after the procedure. That’s why your doctor will tell you to avoid having unprotected sex until you get confirmation that your semen is free of sperm.

    If your doctor finds sperm in repeat tests of your semen, you may need to have a second procedure.*Less than 1 percent*of vasectomies need to be repeated.
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    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...tive-vasectomy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Do people here realize that most forms of contraception aren't 100%? People don't want to substitute contraception with abortion. What if contraception fails and you're on a med that frequently leads to fetuses with defects?

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    My wife got pregnant with accutane still in her system (extremely teratogenic)…. Maybe explains why my 3 year old is such a rascal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
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    Do people here realize that most forms of contraception aren't 100%? People don't want to substitute contraception with abortion. What if contraception fails and you're on a med that frequently leads to fetuses with defects?

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    My wife got pregnant with accutane still in her system (extremely teratogenic)…. Maybe explains why my 3 year old is such a rascal!
    So, why weren’t you paying attention and not getting her pregnant or using birth control, or Is it her only her responsibility?

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    From Rheumatologist News-
    "No more ‘escape hatch’: Post Roe, new worries about meds linked to birth defects"

    https://www.mdedge.com/rheumatology/..._220701_mdedge

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    "South Dakota governor defends state's abortion 'trigger' ban when asked if 10-year-old should be forced to give birth"
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/03/p...ban/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    "South Dakota governor defends state's abortion 'trigger' ban when asked if 10-year-old should be forced to give birth"
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/03/p...ban/index.html

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    Sad case.
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    Why don't we just put a Band-Aid on a woman's abdomen if she's pregnant but doesn't wish to be? That's how we as a society address our other problems. Why should pregnancy be different?

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    Okay, we don't address all of society's problems by putting Band-Aids on women's abdomens. I admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner View Post
    Okay, we don't address all of society's problems by putting Band-Aids on women's abdomens. I admit it.
    The WOKE movement ended the ability to apply a bandaid to a woman's abdomen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Niner View Post
    Okay, we don't address all of society's problems by putting Band-Aids on women's abdomens. I admit it.
    The WOKE movement ended the ability to apply a bandaid to a woman's abdomen.

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    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Niner View Post
    Okay, we don't address all of society's problems by putting Band-Aids on women's abdomens. I admit it.
    The WOKE movement ended the ability to apply a bandaid to a woman's abdomen.

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    How so?
    It was joke. It's not "nice" to look at, nor touch to apply a bandaid to a woman's abdomen.

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    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
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    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
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