Is it Time to Ditch the Two-Party System?

[Chuck Naill]

Dull is good.

[Chuck Naill]

Problem with Democrats is they are mostly all talk and no show. Just reading about Johnny Boy Kerry’s hey emissions. Lol!

[Chip]

I wonder if Democrats won presidencies in years that they lost the popular vote by winning the electoral college if you'd still object.

Give me an example, Mr. Genius.

I've just about concluded that you have no real core beliefs or self.

You just react in a way you think clever to whatever comes up.

Or try to assert control as a self-appointed peacemaker.

[Lloyd]

I wonder if Democrats won presidencies in years that they lost the popular vote by winning the electoral college if you'd still object.

Give me an example, Mr. Genius.

I've just about concluded that you have no real core beliefs or self.

You just react in a way you think clever to whatever comes up.

Or try to assert control as a self-appointed peacemaker.

I asked a hypothetical question. I didn't imply a democat won the electoral college but didn't win the popular. I wonder IF that happened, would those currently anti-E.College change their opinion.

I definitely have core values. I'm religiously agnostic, but lean towards atheism. Politically, I'm left of center. I'm a hippie at heart yet I worked most of my career for military contractors.
I can see that most here have no intention of changing their views, only screaming them. I see dneal as someone who, while of differing views than me, tries to show opposing views... all major issues have multiple reasonable justifications AND several conspiracies. I like to try to see both sides when making, and keeping, an opinion.

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[Chip]

Politically, I'm left of center. I'm a hippie at heart yet I worked most of my career for military contractors.

So, despite the disclaimers, your ruling value is money?

[Lloyd]

Politically, I'm left of center. I'm a hippie at heart yet I worked most of my career for military contractors.

So, despite the disclaimers, your ruling value is money?

Values... my family needs shelter, to eat, and to have healthcare. Without any military or with one lacking adequate algorithms to assist it (my field), a far worse regime could be occupying America and many Americans (and their allies) could die. I didn't chase the money, I followed interesting work in a field that was both essential and tainted.

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[Chuck Naill]

You don’t need to just your decisions to anyone here unless you want to, Lloyd. Nothing wrong with money and being financially secure. Getting out of debt has many benefits.

[Lloyd]

I'm don't feel a need to justify my choices, I just hoped to show that there's more than one singular RIGHT and the rest are WRONG. You'd think, in a community that revels in the tremendous range of ink colors, members would realize that the world isn't defined in black and white.

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[dneal]

I'm don't feel a need to justify my choices, I just hoped to show that there's more than one singular RIGHT and the rest are WRONG. You'd think, in a community that revels in the tremendous range of ink colors, members would realize that the world isn't defined in black and white.

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You, "Mr. Genius", are obviously a reactionary crank.

[Lloyd]

A sarcastic "Mr. Genius" and a "reactionary crank". I must say, the level of the insults has advanced a grade. Bravo....

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[dneal]

A sarcastic "Mr. Genius" and a "reactionary crank". I must say, the level of the insults has advanced a grade. Bravo....

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My understanding is that those words are not snarky. I suppose it depends on who uses them.

[Lloyd]

A sarcastic "Mr. Genius" and a "reactionary crank". I must say, the level of the insults has advanced a grade. Bravo....

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My understanding is that those words are not snarky. I suppose it depends on who uses them.

Do you mean that the same behavior can be defined as either GOOD or BAD, depending on who's beliefs it sides with? Astounding! A new form of Relativity. 🙄

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[Chip]

Values... my family needs shelter, to eat, and to have healthcare. Without any military or with one lacking adequate algorithms to assist it (my field), a far worse regime could be occupying America and many Americans (and their allies) could die. I didn't chase the money, I followed interesting work in a field that was both essential and tainted.

Better to kill other families, far from your hallowed shores. And make good money doing it.

[Lloyd]

Values... my family needs shelter, to eat, and to have healthcare. Without any military or with one lacking adequate algorithms to assist it (my field), a far worse regime could be occupying America and many Americans (and their allies) could die. I didn't chase the money, I followed interesting work in a field that was both essential and tainted.

Better to kill other families, far from your hallowed shores. And make good money doing it.

I could have made more in other professions. I was in the defense. I worked on assisting taking out incoming weaponry before it impacted. However, whenever there's a battle, it always comes down to one side versus the other. In times of war, to act as a pacifist is to sacrifice your own. Would you prefer if the USA were currently under Russian/Chinese/German/Japanese/British/etc. rule? Should the Northern states have been peaceful during the Civil War?

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[Lloyd]

Please stop coming up with such black&white simpleton comments. I know you're smarter.

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[Chip]

Please stop mouthing the same self-justifying military pseudo-patriotic crap I've heard for decades.

I thought you were better than that.

Silly of me.

[Lloyd]

Please stop mouthing the same self-justifying military pseudo-patriotic crap I've heard for decades.

I thought you were better than that.

Silly of me.

So, you are anti Military defense, even for providing to smaller ally countries (the business I was in)? Should the US not provide support to Ukraine? I'm not strictly "America First". It sounds like you favor "America Last".

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[TFarnon]

I wouldn't call it "good money", not at the end of the Cold War when I served, and not now. I didn't enlist for the money, and I didn't enlist for the Montgomery GI Bill (much less generous than the current one, and you had to pay into it). I enlisted initially because I drank the Ronnie Reagan Kool-Aid. Little did I, or anyone else, know that the former Soviet Union presented both more and less of a threat than we believed. And the actual fall of the Soviet Union was a huge surprise, at least on that day in late 1991. Nor did I expect Russian to suddenly be an in-demand language again, not that any men in dark suits have come calling.

Pretty much within the first 4 weeks of Basic Training I'd gone from earnest conservative Republican to someone who thinks that Bernie Sanders isn't Leftist enough. I'd always been a feminist, but by that point I'd also become a hardened radical feminist. Funny how when some blowhard tries to tell me how to think, vote, and comport myself I promptly do the exact opposite of what that blowhard demanded...Tell ME how to vote? I'll show you voting, bud!

It feels really strange to find all my old skills and training bubbling up now. Like Lloyd, I worked in an interesting field that was both essential and tainted. Nearly everything in the military during the Cold War was like that.

[TSherbs]

.... In times of war, to act as a pacifist is to sacrifice your own.

Lloyd, this statement is as "simplistic" as anything else written here.



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[Lloyd]

.... In times of war, to act as a pacifist is to sacrifice your own.

Lloyd, this statement is as "simplistic" as anything else written here.



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I suppose I should have written out this concept in more detail. But, it's just to give a glimpse of the other side of the coin.

Why not ask Andrew Lensky his thoughts on a country's, and their ally's, having a strong military defense?

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