Is it Time to Ditch the Two-Party System?

[dneal]

Clearly Sinema has some integrity. That alone disqualifies her from being a Democrat.

[Chuck Naill]

How are Democrats lacking in integrity?

[TSherbs]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ndence/672568/

Some interesting suggestions for changes to our system to break up the two-party malaise.

[Chuck Naill]

For me, being independent means being a free thinker. I've read the history of some political parties back in Lincoln's early political days and more than a few did exist, or new ones sprang up.

I would not want to deal with Israel has. Seems they can't ride themselves of a person. Can you imagine having to deal with Trump every other year?

[TSherbs]

Another call for ranked choice voting to curb the spread of extremism and limit the power that the present system gives to extremist political moves not reflective of the will of the majority of the voters:

More Ranked Choice Voting Please

[Chuck Naill]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

[TSherbs]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

Sure, there's that too. Unfortunately, the citizenry of a state cannot initiate a ballot referendum to guarrantee the type of electorate that they want. But they can construct an election process that they want. Maine did it! (although only for federal offices; our state constitution allows "plurality" vistories, so we'll have to first amend the state constitution before then changing the state office election processes by statute. But stage one is complete!)

[Chuck Naill]

My HS chemistry instructor used to say, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

[Kgbenson]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

Yes it is, but it seems that now, one mans education is another mans indoctrination. And there is a famously anti-science and education movement here in the US.

[TSherbs]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

Yes it is, but it seems that now, one mans education is another mans indoctrination. And there is a famously anti-science and education movement here in the US.

See the education thread for an example of this anti- science ignorance.

[TSherbs]

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Manchin considering a third party run for Pres?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...nchin-00105183

[dneal]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

Yes it is, but it seems that now, one mans education is another mans indoctrination. And there is a famously anti-science and education movement here in the US.

See the education thread for an example of this anti- science ignorance.

And you wonder why you can’t have conversations here. That wasn’t me, Seney, kazoolaw, or anyone you argued with in the past.

Someone else posted something you didn’t agree with, and got a mocking response.

You are not in control of your emotions.

[724Seney]

The cure for extremist politics is an educated and skilled electorate.

Yes it is, but it seems that now, one mans education is another mans indoctrination. And there is a famously anti-science and education movement here in the US.

See the education thread for an example of this anti- science ignorance.

And you wonder why you can’t have conversations here. That wasn’t me, Seney, kazoolaw, or anyone you argued with in the past.

Someone else posted something you didn’t agree with, and got a mocking response.

You are not in control of your emotions.

The only person TSherbs is not actively fighting is Chip.
And Chip is dumber than a stick ......a happy little moron who supports anything the ever combative TSherbs profers.
But, somehow, our Choir Boy is oblivious to all this.

[TSherbs]

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Manchin considering a third party run for Pres?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...nchin-00105183

maybe it will help to post the article in its entirety:

www.politico.compolitico.com
Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid hits the Hill
Jul. 9th, 2023
By BURGESS EVERETT

07/09/2023 07:00 AM EDT

Democrats are mounting a coordinated mission to kill a third-party presidential bid — and it’s coming soon to Capitol Hill.

Officials from the progressive group MoveOn and centrist group Third Way are planning to brief Senate Democratic chiefs of staff on July 27, according to an invitation obtained by POLITICO. It’s part of an effort to educate Democrats about the risk that a third-party bid funded by the well-heeled group No Labels could pose to President Joe Biden — particularly if centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) runs for president rather than reelection.

Matt Bennett, executive vice president for public affairs at Third Way, and Rahna Epting, the executive director of MoveOn, will speak to Democratic senators’ top aides, according to the invitation. The invite tells chiefs of staff dryly that the two “want to share some information that they have on No Labels.”

No Labels declines to reveal just who is funding its third party bid.

Third Way has put together research showing that a third-party campaign would hurt Biden, an argument that No Labels has dismissed. Bennett declined to comment specifically on this month’s Capitol Hill meeting but confirmed that Third Way is working urgently to stop a third-party candidate.

“Very often there are differences of opinion or strategy when it comes to the Democratic coalition, because it’s very, very broad. But here, there’s unanimity, and everyone agrees that if they go forward this is going to hurt Joe Biden,” Bennett said in an interview. “We need to make clear to folks that what they are selling is an illusion, not a choice.”

The alliance between the party’s leading centrists and prominent liberals to publicly squash a third-party effort demonstrates how seriously Democrats fear that a spoiler candidate could tip the election to Donald Trump or another Republican candidate. If next year’s presidential ballot is as close as 2016 or 2020 were, Democrats worry that Trump-weary voters could defect from Biden to an alternative candidate — and just a few thousand of those defections could be decisive in the Electoral College.

Liz Cattaneo, a spokesperson for MoveOn, said that the group is “working with a broad range of Democratic organizations to stop No Labels from running a third-party presidential ticket.” She added that her organization is “committed to accountability for No Labels and to preventing right-wing extremists from winning back” the White House.

No Labels is unbowed. Ryan Clancy, the group’s chief strategist, said that “it shouldn’t surprise anyone … that voters are more open to an independent than ever before. It’s why our polling shows an independent ticket has a viable path” to winning.

Manchin has argued that there’s little harm in his entertaining a third-party bid, and he’s refused to rule one out even as his colleagues try to talk him out of it. Both Democrats and Republicans are “being driven by business extremes” and catering to the “far right and far left,” he said in an interview on the topic last month.

Briefing top Hill Democrats about No Labels is a clear move to get the party on the same page in opposition to the group’s work. And all these dynamics could make the difference between the Senate majority and minority come 2025: If Manchin runs for the White House instead of reelection in West Virginia, Democrats could end up losing both his Senate seat and the presidential race.

A Manchin aide said that if his schedule permits, the senator’s chief of staff will attend the July 27 meeting.

Manchin is the candidate most frequently mentioned as a potential recruit for No Labels, which is eyeing a budget as high as $70 million for its third-party initiative. But there’s also some private talk about former Maryland GOP Gov. Larry Hogan or even Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona leading an alternative slate, though Hogan says he won’t run for president and Sinema generally stays away from such speculation.

Any of those three candidates on a presidential ballot could influence a close contest for the Electoral College next fall. Dritan Nesho, No Labels’ chief pollster, said that polling “shows an overwhelming opening for a third-party ticket before names are even announced and any campaign communicating the vision and issue positions is run.”

Detractors counter that the group is wildly overstating its chances.

“What we are trying to make clear to the people around No Labels, especially people thinking about running on their ticket, is that that is a preposterous pipe dream. And they can have an impact, but it isn’t by winning,” Bennett said. “They can have an impact by spoiling.”

[dneal]

Waaaahhhhhhh!!!

TSherbs is baiting!!!!!

Waaaaahhhhhh!!!

lol

That’s baiting, for future reference.

[TSherbs]

Manchin and a third party?

[dneal]

You completely edited your post. I guess I'll have to start quoting you to prevent your copying of the EoC tactic.

Nice try though.

[TSherbs]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I keep asking if anyone has anything to say about Manchin and his third party run from the article I linked (and copied) above.

As with RFK, I'm not sure what this guy's endgame would be. But it's really mostly rumor at this point (Manchin would need to file for it to be real).

[Chip]

Manchin is a centrist?

Is that a synonym for corrupt coal whore and amoral power broker?

[TSherbs]

Manchin is a centrist?

Is that a synonym for corrupt coal whore and amoral power broker?

yeah, "centrist" isn't the best term....

I guess they mean how he has straddled the battle lines (at times) between GOP and DEM positions....Or simply voted against DEMS with the GOP....