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    Default Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Starting with a caveat: I am no US citizen, nor US resident. Just a concerned global citizen. My observation:

    Trump is a dumb populist clown.
    McConnell is a Machiavellian, unscrupulous, immoral, evil, sinister politician.

    The former a tragic person, to be smirked at in future times.
    The latter a clever architect whose influence will dominate US society, and its repercussions on global views on democracy, on civic organization in general, for decades.

    What do you think?

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Trump is more dangerous. McConnell is a willing accomplice. That McConnell would be more than willing to help him again, even though Trump disparaged him as a "political hack", says more about McConnell's character and makes him potentially dangerous.

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Trump is a manifestation of an underlying symptom. McConnell is simply a master politician, navigating troubled waters.

    What's up with those Dutch farmers?

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Shhh… Not suppose to talk about antigovernment protests that don’t fit the narrative…
    Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Shhh… Not suppose to talk about antigovernment protests that don’t fit the narrative…
    Have there been any other capital police-killing, capital invading protests in our lifetime's?

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    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
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    Not that I’m aware of. The capitol police weren’t at the city-burning riots, so they weren’t able to kill anyone.

    Now about those Dutch farmers…

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    I suppose the Black Lives Matter protests is what is being referred to. No one is suggesting the looting and violence is acceptable because black people get a pass, but the reasons for those protests are built on a cultural reality whereas the capital protests were based on false information. Maybe others think differently, but following a popular conservative comparison of the BLM protests and January 6 insurrection is not the way to think. It is a false analogy.

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    Starting with a caveat: I am no US citizen, nor US resident. Just a concerned global citizen. My observation:

    Trump is a dumb populist clown.
    McConnell is a Machiavellian, unscrupulous, immoral, evil, sinister politician.

    The former a tragic person, to be smirked at in future times.
    The latter a clever architect whose influence will dominate US society, and its repercussions on global views on democracy, on civic organization in general, for decades.

    What do you think?
    I can't pick. We haven't been able to rid ourselves of either one of them yet, politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    I suppose the Black Lives Matter protests is what is being referred to. No one is suggesting the looting and violence is acceptable because black people get a pass, but the reasons for those protests are built on a cultural reality whereas the capital protests were based on false information. Maybe others think differently, but following a popular conservative comparison of the BLM protests and January 6 insurrection is not the way to think. It is a false analogy.
    You mean those protests in 2016, where they were burning cars and stuff because of that debunked, totally fake, conspiracy theory about Hillary's "illegitimate" loss to Russian bots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Shhh… Not suppose to talk about antigovernment protests that don’t fit the narrative…
    Have there been any other capital police-killing, capital invading protests in our lifetime's?

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    Not exactly.

    But the violence and mayhem both inside and outside of the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago is now infamous.

    And the 1967 march on the Pentagon could have gone very badly, but the 2500+ soldiers from various divisions/units inside the building beat back the 30 or so protesters who got in one door within minutes. Up to 25,000 troops had been either mobilized or put on alert before the protest. Unlike January 6, 2021.

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    I wonder why there were no troops available on Jan 6. Didn't anyone request them? Seems they knew it would be a contentious day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    I wonder why there were no troops available on Jan 6. Didn't anyone request them? Seems they knew it would be a contentious day.
    I'll gift this which may help answer your question @dneal.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/u...smid=url-share

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    I wonder why there were no troops available on Jan 6. Didn't anyone request them? Seems they knew it would be a contentious day.
    I'll gift this which may help answer your question @dneal.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/u...smid=url-share
    Attorney General Ramsey Clark (in 1967), one timeline notes, authorized additional troops 18 minutes after they were requested from him: interestinglingly, at exactly 4:17PM, the timestamp of Trump's "go home, we love you" video. But they had built up military defense units weeks in advance. After all, it was the Pentagon that was the target that time, not lowly despicable US congress with the President actually leading the cause against them.

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    I am curious if Pence trusted the Secret Service??

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    It's a secret. . .

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Which is worse: the bubonic plague or colon cancer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Which is worse: the bubonic plague or colon cancer?
    Bubonic plague

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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Which is worse: the bubonic plague or colon cancer?
    Bubonic plague.
    That's Trump.


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    Default Re: Who is worse: Trump or McConnell?

    The worse is which can do the most damage.

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