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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

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    @deeal or aka @denial, you’ve been wrong on so many topics.
    Maybe, but not as much as Paul Krugman.
    Very likely false.
    No, the official tally of op-eds in the NYT admitting being wrong is: Paul Krugman - 1. dneal - 0.

    This is a math thread, after all; and the numbers don’t lie.
    You're wrong more often than you admit, in both the NYT and in your posts.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

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    @deeal or aka @denial, you’ve been wrong on so many topics.
    Maybe, but not as much as Paul Krugman.
    Very likely false.
    No, the official tally of op-eds in the NYT admitting being wrong is: Paul Krugman - 1. dneal - 0.

    This is a math thread, after all; and the numbers don’t lie.
    If you never give an opinion, you'll never be wrong.... nor right.

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    That's his greased pig evasive maneuver.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal

    No, the official tally of op-eds in the NYT admitting being wrong is: Paul Krugman - 1. dneal - 0.

    This is a math thread, after all; and the numbers don’t lie.
    Numbers don't lie. However, as this thread shows, they can be misused/misinterpreted by those who lack understanding and hold biases.
    Krugman got 1/N wrong (you're only citing one erroneous article),, where N>10 is the number of articles he's written for the NYT. ∴ he's wrong in <10% articles. You got 0/0 wrong. An undefined value which can not be used for proving anything.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    I doubt that you bothered to read the article, and still more that you're capable of understanding it.

    You certainly display no evidence to the contrary.

    Stick to your fast-twitch entertainment, YouTube and Twitter (and Fox?), and stop trying to start losing battles.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    That was very interesting, although not wholly surprising. Working in science research we run the calculations irrespective of any expected or anticipated outcome. Sometimes the numbers are favourable to our theories, sometimes not, but they are what they are. We like to feel that we are objective in our approach, and backed up by peer review, but there are without doubt some quite subtle pitfalls out there. This is particularly the case with some of the more complex statistical approaches, which is why we employ independent biostatisticians to help design studies and crunch the data afterwards.

    Epistomological positioning is important too.
    At first I misread "peer review" as "pear review", and was thinking: "Bosc or Seckel?" I'll show myself out now.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Epistomological? Wowzer!

    You can edit your posts.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
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    I don't have access to this opinion piece.
    I pay for a subscription: what an idea!
    I enjoyed the article you pasted in, but this other comment just seems purely ornery.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Epistomological? Wowzer!

    You can edit your posts.
    Typo was corrected. Hardly worth a comment.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    @deeal or aka @denial, you’ve been wrong on so many topics.
    Maybe, but not as much as Paul Krugman.
    Very likely false.
    No, the official tally of op-eds in the NYT admitting being wrong is: Paul Krugman - 1. dneal - 0.

    This is a math thread, after all; and the numbers don’t lie.
    If you never give an opinion, you'll never be wrong.... nor right.

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    Why must I give an opinion? Can’t I just observe and discuss? Why are the only options you present to be wrong or right?
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post

    Why must I give an opinion? Can’t I just observe and discuss? Why are the only options you present to be wrong or right?
    Well then stop belittling others for their opinions when they choose to share them. That you don't share opinions AND at the same time criticize others for choosing to share them is part of the basis of our objections to your dynamic. You tell people that they are wrong (biased, tribal, blinded) very frequently. You call people emotionally unstable for simply showing some passion about a topic. You clearly suggest in dozens of posts that being anything but an objective unemotional reading of certain sources (vetted by you, of course) is wrong. You have said so dozens of times, in various forms of phrasing.

    To suggest here that you object to being asked to pick between right and wrong is another example of what I call your fundamental dishonesty and hypocrisy. You've come to an opinion forum among lay people with opinions, you reserve your own personal opinions on many topics, and you attack others for having them when they are shared here. This is why I accuse you of trolling.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    The Krugman piece I posted is one example of how utterly mendacious and false is the Republican claim that tax cuts for the rich and corporations stimulate the economy to the benefit of all. Despite being proven wrong again and again, they continue to repeat it.

    An evident lack of math skills is one reason, along with a contempt for facts. Corruption and greed also weigh in.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    The Krugman piece I posted is one example of how utterly mendacious and false is the Republican claim that tax cuts for the rich and corporations stimulate the economy to the benefit of all. Despite being proven wrong again and again, they continue to repeat it.

    An evident lack of math skills is one reason, along with a contempt for facts. Corruption and greed also weigh in.
    The only math I’ve followed is to spend less than you make and pay cash.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    That said, we were a one income family.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.
    When you got to go, you got to go
    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.
    When you got to go, you got to go
    Of course, but I feel you’re not appreciating other’s perspectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.
    When you got to go, you got to go
    Of course, but I feel you’re not appreciating other’s perspectives.
    Are you defending dneal? Do you support his not giving opinions on issues, only giving opinions (criticisms) of other's opinions?

    Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.
    When you got to go, you got to go
    Of course, but I feel you’re not appreciating other’s perspectives.
    Are you defending dneal? Do you support his not giving opinions on issues, only giving opinions (criticisms) of other's opinions?

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    You assume much, reminds me of Kaz.

    I pay little attention to @denal anymore. He had been on the verifiably wrong side of Trump, Covid-19, and those with expertise, his posts are expected.

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    Default Re: Politics affects one's math ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    An ex-commander who offers no opinion.... is that the truest representation of "retirement"?

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    Lloyd, your pissing into the wind.
    When you got to go, you got to go
    Of course, but I feel you’re not appreciating other’s perspectives.
    Are you defending dneal? Do you support his not giving opinions on issues, only giving opinions (criticisms) of other's opinions?

    Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
    You assume much, reminds me of Kaz.

    I pay little attention to @denal anymore. He had been on the verifiably wrong side of Trump, Covid-19, and those with expertise, his posts are expected.
    Huh? I didn't assume a thing. I asked a question. See your post #38

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    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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