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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    It simply means that @dneal and his double membership has been exposed.

    While I am sure you felt smug vilifying EOC, now everyone knows.

    Not everyone who serves is worthy of respect.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Thank you for admitting you’ve run dry. Maybe your dual membership 724 and Kaz can come to your rescue.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Multiple sequential posts, along with incoherence, is another common sign of candy/Chuck’s level of agitation; although Chuck does do it on occasion as petty trolling.

    candy does this too, on the other forum.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    @dneal or whatever he is hiding behind has been found out. Maybe those who have been aiding and abetting should take note of his intent and double memberships.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    candy, do you have evidence of these double memberships? otherwise, it just sounds like the ramblings of a crazy person.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Yes, others have taken notice. I just figure you’re bored and since you sat behind a desk, you discovered how to hack and scam.

    That you have followed me to another forum and posted it here should give others an idea of what your are about and the little man/woman you are.

    But please, carry on. Hope your enjoy your membership, “philosophiest”.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Is "another forum" the same as, or different from, the
    'wharfinexile" referred to in your quote in post 212 above?
    If the same, what is a "wharf?"

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Yes, others have taken notice. I just figure you’re bored and since you sat behind a desk, you discovered how to hack and scam.

    That you have followed me to another forum and posted it here should give others an idea of what your are about and the little man/woman you are.

    But please, carry on. Hope your enjoy your membership, “philosophiest”.
    You invited me LOL!!!

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    I am a member of a forum that has become pretty much unused, but on that forum, we discussed lots of topic and it was unmoderated. I'd like to see it return. Join me if interested.

    https://wharfinexile.proboards.com/
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    Thank you!! How stupid can you get!! 😂😂😂😂

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Thank you!! How stupid can you get!! 😂😂😂😂
    http://https://fpgeeks.com/forum/sho...l=1#post368226

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    I agree Kaz, there is no similarities.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?


    By not similar you mean identical, right?

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    I am reading about the long lines in GA and the Republican tactic of reduced voting locations especially in non white areas and reduction in the number of early voting days, also by Republicans.

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    County under a cloud: Maricopa's decade-long history of election issues, from 2012 to 2022

    As voters, poll workers, and observers have voiced their concerns about issues they witnessed on Election Day in Maricopa County, Ariz., a review of the county's history shows 10 years of election issues under various election officials.

    Numerous issues occurred at vote centers on Election Day in Maricopa County earlier this month, from election machine problems to hours-long lines, according to widespread reports. However, election issues are not unique to the 2022 midterms in Maricopa, as some began a decade ago.

    During the 2012 presidential general election in Maricopa County, key races went undecided for two weeks after Election Day as a result of "record numbers of provisional and early ballots" remaining uncounted after polls closed, according to the Arizona Republic. The outlet said that "Arizona was embarrassed on the national stage."

    In the 2014 midterm election, despite a decrease in voter turnout, there were still days-long delays in counting early votes, attributable to most of the counties in Arizona stopping their count of early ballots between 12 p.m. and 2 p.m. the Monday before an election to prepare for Election Day, the Arizona Republic reported. As a result, mailed-in early ballots that arrive after that time and early ballots hand-delivered on Election Day have to wait to be counted.

    During the 2014 election, more than 75% of the 34,000 valid provisional ballots were cast by voters who went to the polls anyway, even after receiving their early ballot, according to the Republic. (The outlet noted that this was also an issue during the 2012 election.)

    Despite a new e-poll system that was designed to direct voters to their correct polling location if they arrived at the wrong one, there were still 2,800 provisional ballots cast at incorrect polling locations in 2014.

    "With e-poll books, theoretically that number should be zero," the Maricopa County Recorder's spokesperson said at the time, according to the Republic.

    During the 2016 primary election, the number of polling locations in Maricopa County was reduced to 60, but voters could vote at any location, rather than being assigned to one. However, with 1.25 million eligible in-person voters at the time, this reduction of polling places from more than 200 in the 2012 presidential primary, and 400 in the 2008 presidential primary, caused hours-long lines.

    At one polling location in 2016, between 600 and 700 voters waited in line for more than three hours to vote, and a poll worker told voters at one point that they had run out of ballots. Another location had some voters wait until after midnight to cast their votes due to long lines, even though polls closed at 7 p.m.

    The Obama Justice Department sent a letter to the Maricopa County Recorder's Office after the 2016 primary inquiring about the election issues, which occurred under Helen Purcell, a Republican who had held the office since winning the 1988 election. Amid these issues, Purcell lost her 2016 reelection race for county recorder to Democrat Adrian Fontes.

    Two years later, leading up to the 2018 midterm primary election, then-Maricopa County Recorder Fontes, who is expected to be certified as the winner of the 2022 secretary of state election on Dec. 5, revealed his plan to change how elections were conducted the week before Election Day.

    The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors was concerned about the significant changes made by the new recorder with little notice beforehand.

    On primary Election Day in 2018, dozens of polling locations failed to open on time due to technical issues with election machines. The recorder's office initially claimed the issue was due to the election machine contractor not providing enough workers to set up. However, the contractor said that they provided more than enough workers but that the county "failed to provide a setup and coordination schedule" for their technicians and the county troubleshooters.

    After the 2018 election, the county's Board of Supervisors retook control over Election Day voting from the recorder's office, limiting Fontes' election responsibilities to overseeing voter registration and early voting.

    The current recorder, Republican Stephen Richer, defeated Fontes in the 2020 election, vowing to tighten up and depoliticize the chronic maladministration of elections in the county, but after taking office he emerged as an often acerbic critic of GOP efforts to audit the disputed 2020 election in the county and tighten election security. In 2021, Richer started a political action committee, funded by Democrats, that supports Republican candidates who "acknowledge the validity of the 2020 election and condemn the events of January 6, 2021 as a terrible result of the lies told about the November election," according to a press statement announcing the PAC's creation.

    Following the 2020 presidential election, the Arizona state Senate conducted an audit of the presidential election, which flagged a large number of voters who potentially voted in Maricopa and at least one other county in the state. It said 5,295 voters cast ballots in Maricopa and at least one other county using "the same first, middle, last name and birth year."

    CyberNinja, the cyber security firm that conducted the audit, also raised serious questions about the possible deletion of data from Maricopa County's election computers.

    A separate review of Maricopa County's mail ballots in the 2020 election found that more than 200,000 ballots with signatures did not match voter files and were counted without being reviewed.

    During the 2022 midterm election, Maricopa County experienced numerous issues with election machines, from printers that print ballots to ballot scanners. Eleven Republican roving attorneys visited 115 out of the 223 vote centers in Maricopa County as observers on Election Day and found that 72 of them (62.6% of the visted sites) "had material problems with the tabulators not being able to tabulate ballots, causing voters to either deposit their ballots into box 3, spoil their ballots and re-vote, or get frustrated and leave the vote center without voting," according to a report compiled from their observations by Mark Sonnenklar, a roving attorney with the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity program in Arizona.

    The Arizona attorney general's office raised concerns regarding the administration of the Nov. 8 election in Maricopa County in a Nov. 19 letter to the county attorney's office inquiring into the widespread irregularities reported in the county on Election Day.

    On Sunday, the county replied to the letter, saying that it followed the law on Election Day and the election problems were "regrettable." However, the county maintained that "every lawful voter was still able to cast his or her ballot."

    The deadline for Arizona counties to certify the midterm election with the secretary of state's office was Monday. Maricopa County certified its election despite the testimony of a procession of residents — including voters and poll workers — urging them not to based on their Election Day experiences. Cochise County, meanwhile, chose not to certify despite the threat of a lawsuit, while Mohave County certified with two supervisors noting they voted "under duress."

    The state deadline to certify its election is Dec. 5.

    Arizona state Rep. Mark Finchem, who ran as the GOP nominee against Fontes in the secretary of state election, told Just the News on Tuesday that Maricopa County's handling of the 2022 election is "yet another disgrace in a long line of disgraces."

    Maricopa County didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday.
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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    About time:

    Rural Arizona county certifies midterm election results after judge's order.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/polit...ion/index.html

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Judge issues scathing ruling castigating the meritless case in the suit against Maricopa County over the voting machines. The judge has levied sanctions on the attorneys to discourage further such cases (litigation full of lies for political purposes with no meaningful evidence in support):

    "The order holds the attorneys "jointly and severally liable" for the county's attorneys' fees, meaning that each person is legally responsible for paying the total amount".

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Here: The Arizona Republic: Judge rips Lake, Finchem lawsuit on voting machines, orders sanctions.
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...s/69693664007/

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    The reason why I post these court case results on this thread and on others (like the Jan 6 thread) is that I believe that the best answer to conspiracy talk and behavior is to treat it punitively wherever it crosses into criminality (or professional malfeasance) and have the judges express in their rulings the merits (or lack thereof) of the case and the "evidence," should any be provided. These are the professionals, who for the most part, are most exacting about quailty of evidence and thinking and motivation, etc. I think it is importnt to track cases over time (the legal process takes years, often) and remind us what the cases were about, whether any evidence of quality was produced, and what the ruling was at the end. And then broadcast these results to the country. Again and again and again.

    The only thing missing so far is a prosecution of Donald Trump for his responsibility in the Jan 6 mess (other prosecutions of him may be coming, and his company is being tried for fraud as we speak).

    So, there are some more trials on seditious conspiracy coming this month. These will be revealing also (not all charges have resulted in convictions).

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    Default Re: Can we agree that neither party trusts the voting system(s)?

    Alternatively, a bipartisan group could examine evidence and present conclusions. The metaphorical exploration of the closet. Judicial rulings just have each side waving victory or crying foul. Consider the liberal criticism of the current Supreme Court.
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