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    Two accounts I follow on X are "TrumpWarRoom" and "KamalaHQ". Each is hyper partisan, and the only reason I follow them is for examples of each side's narrative. It's one more reason I know what each side is saying, and you don't.
    I would prefer non-biased news sources.
    Based on your posts, you don’t have non biased news sources.

    But you misunderstand the point above. I don’t get fact based news from those two sources. I get a peek inside the red and blue echo chambers, and the narratives bouncing around in each.

    Your posts parrot the blue one, which you get from “non-biased” sources. That’s why you think “Trump said he will be a dictator on day one”. It’s absurd, is the opposite of what he did for 4 years, and not even what he said.

    Yet you wonder why I say “I’m sorry your media did that to you”.
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    Two accounts I follow on X are "TrumpWarRoom" and "KamalaHQ". Each is hyper partisan, and the only reason I follow them is for examples of each side's narrative. It's one more reason I know what each side is saying, and you don't.
    I would prefer non-biased news sources.
    Based on your posts, you don’t have non biased news sources.
    Unfortunately there are few, if any non-biased new sources these days. Where is Walter Cronkite when you need him.

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    But you misunderstand the point above. I don’t get fact based news from those two sources. I get a peek inside the red and blue echo chambers, and the narratives bouncing around in each.
    I suppose it would be interesting to do such.

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    Your posts parrot the blue one, which you get from “non-biased” sources.
    I didn’t say my sources, the mainstream media, are non-biased, I said I would prefer non-biased news sources. Unfortunately there are hard to come by.

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    That’s why you think “Trump said he will be a dictator on day one”. It’s absurd, is the opposite of what he did for 4 years, and not even what he said.
    Wrong. Yes it is what he said. There is a video of him saying he’d be a dictator on day one.
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    That’s why you think “Trump said he will be a dictator on day one”. It’s absurd, is the opposite of what he did for 4 years, and not even what he said.
    Wrong. Yes it is what he said. There is a video of him saying he’d be a dictator on day one.
    Does the meaning change when you include the words "except for"?

    The actual exchange with Hannity:

    Hannity: "I want to go back to this one issue though because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances you're promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?"

    Trump: "Except for Day 1."

    Hannity: "Except for?"

    Trump: (pointing to Hannity) "Look, he’s going crazy. Except for Day 1."

    Hannity: "Meaning?"

    Trump: "I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill."

    Hannity: "That’s not retribution."

    Trump, referring to Hannity: "We love this guy. He says, ‘You are not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said, ‘No, no, no, other than Day 1.’ We are closing the border and we are drilling, drilling, drilling. After that I am not a dictator, OK?"

    Hannity: "That sounds to me like you’re going back to the policies when you were president."
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    Even 1 day is too long to have a dictator. The fact that he says something like that screams that he shouldn’t have the power of the Presidency. I don’t know how you don’t see that.
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    Even 1 day is too long to have a dictator. The fact that he says something like that screams that he shouldn’t have the power of the Presidency. I don’t know how you don’t see that.
    It was a tongue in cheek remark, but I do know how you don't see that. Your news sources and your TDS.

    Did you (or do you still) believe Trump called neo-nazi's "very fine people"?
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    So is there any truth to what I’ve heard that Trump is going to change some citizens into noncitizens via the same law that was used to put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII?
    "same law"? Which one would that be? FDR used an Executive Order (primarily) to send Japanese into camps, not a "law". The Supreme Court did allow these decisions and the camps in rulings, mostly based around "military necessity." Later Courts have since rejected those earlier rulings (there was no evidence of Japanese spying on the citizenry) , so such a maneuver via EO seems much less likely now, particularly when there is no "war" going on (despite rhetorical political rhetoric to the contrary).

    Has Trump said such a thing? I have not seen that, but I consider anything possible out of his mouth.
    That's because you believe most of the lies being spewed by the Ministry of Propaganda, I mean legacy media.
    Hmmm. I wonder what this button does...

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    Even 1 day is too long to have a dictator. The fact that he says something like that screams that he shouldn’t have the power of the Presidency. I don’t know how you don’t see that.
    It was a tongue in cheek remark, but I do know how you don't see that. Your news sources and your TDS.
    The point is that he said it, it wasn't me just thinking he said it, which is what you implied in post 2241. I think it also important to note that the his talk of terminating the Constitution was not tongue in-cheek.

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    Did you (or do you still) believe Trump called neo-nazi's "very fine people"?
    no just pro-confederacy people.
    Last edited by Warbler; October 31st, 2024 at 08:44 PM.
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    So is there any truth to what I’ve heard that Trump is going to change some citizens into noncitizens via the same law that was used to put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII?
    "same law"? Which one would that be? FDR used an Executive Order (primarily) to send Japanese into camps, not a "law". The Supreme Court did allow these decisions and the camps in rulings, mostly based around "military necessity." Later Courts have since rejected those earlier rulings (there was no evidence of Japanese spying on the citizenry) , so such a maneuver via EO seems much less likely now, particularly when there is no "war" going on (despite rhetorical political rhetoric to the contrary).

    Has Trump said such a thing? I have not seen that, but I consider anything possible out of his mouth.
    That's because you believe most of the lies being spewed by the Ministry of Propaganda, I mean legacy media.
    I never said I believed that Trump is going to change some citizens into noncitizens via the same law that was used to put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWII, I merely asked if there was any truth to it.
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    Even 1 day is too long to have a dictator. The fact that he says something like that screams that he shouldn’t have the power of the Presidency. I don’t know how you don’t see that.
    It was a tongue in cheek remark, but I do know how you don't see that. Your news sources and your TDS.
    The is that he said, it wasn't me just thinking he said it, which is what you implied in post 2241. I think it also important to note that the his talk of terminating the Constitution was not tongue in-cheek.
    We've been down this rabbit hole already. Your TDS triggers cognitive dissonance.

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    Did you (or do you still) believe Trump called neo-nazi's "very fine people"?
    no just pro-confederacy people.
    There you go with the false dichotomies again (from your TDS triggered cognitive dissonance).
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    Why don't you explain just who you think he was calling very fine people?
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    It’s not who I think, it’s what he said. The “he called neo Nazis fine people” narrative is from the media taking one bit out of context and then insinuating who he meant. You seem to desperately want to believe a hoax that even liberal Snopes acknowledged, where it should increase your skepticism.

    How many other hoaxes has your media perpetrated on you? 51 intel experts said that Hunter’s laptop had the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, while the FBI had it in their possession and knew it was real.

    Here’s a the liberal Politifact link with the “fine people” press conference transcript. See the part where he specifically states that he’s not talking about the neo Nazis? Why was that previously omitted by corporate media?

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/
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    I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general.
    Okay, he called people who were against the removal of a Lee monument “very fine people”. These people are likely pro confederacy.
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    What does "pro-confederacy" even mean? Are you really that partisan/tribal?
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    What does "pro-confederacy" even mean? Are you really that partisan/tribal?
    Someone who is a fan of the confederacy? Or maybe someone who wishes the confederacy had won the war? Clearly someone who is against the removal of the confederate flag and confederate monuments.
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    Sounds like "somebody I want to demonize for trivial opinions I'm assigning to them about something that happened over 100 years ago".
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    Trivial opinions?
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    Until you make a rational argument, yes. Your outrage is from something you're imagining about people you've never met.

    Good job on trying to move the goalposts from media lying to you though. Didn't work, but a decent effort.
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    The people he called very fine people were those against the removal of a monument to Lee yes?
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    I believe he said there are very fine people on both sides.

    Did your media give you an accurate portrayal of Trump's comments? Or did they lead you to believe he called Neo-Nazis very fine people?
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    I have to admit the media did not do a good job there. I’ve said the past the mainstream media is biased to the left, not as biased as you may believe, but it is there. I wish that were not so.
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