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Yazeh (March 8th, 2023)
Besides: Exhaling into ink bottles doesn't seem to be the most hygienic way to treat ink ... but hey, iron gall ink isn't meant to be stored for long anyway.
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Yazeh (March 8th, 2023)
Yes, the precipitations are aging processes with these strong fountain pen iron gall inks, you can delay them a bit, but ultimately not prevent them. In the past, it was not uncommon for official tenders for such inks to include quarterly deliveries to ensure the inks were not too old.
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I miss the necessary seriousness here. Anyone who wants to blow into the ESSRI can do so. ESSRI is one of the most acidic fountain pen inks available and there is also phenol in it. If it ever contaminates, it will have long been just a shadow of itself due to the aging mentioned above.
Yazeh (March 8th, 2023)
Yazeh, I am thinking if we can still do this, but I think so. The changes in lettering have only just begun and they will eventually end, but not in this century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WXwTDZkr78
Thanks Thom. I'll take the time to watch it. My information is based on this Dutch site. I've read and reread their pages multiple times. Unfortunately their funding was cut. But they are delightful people.
https://irongallink.org/home-the-iro...k-website.html
They have a very interesting video on how IG ink ages with humidity in just 14 days:
https://irongallink.org/ink-corrosio...and-water.html
I also read this book:
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/014...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Which I thoroughly enjoyed. It's very well written. But it had some inconsistencies. It claimed Inks used to write the Dead Sea Scrolls, are IG. I contacted the Dead Sea Scroll society and they said that they aren't sure and it's probably Carbon black.
Geographically speaking, IG inks would have been, I believe, better suited for the dry climate of Middle East and Lamp black, better for Europe
I think the great draw back of IG ink is it's short shelf life. I got two bottle of Gutenberg Urkundentinten and they were pale light brown and extremely dry. Ironically, I have some old expired Essri in a Pilot Varsity pen snd it still write fine and it's waterproof. Though it won't oxidizes to the dark blue black
Last edited by Thom.; March 12th, 2023 at 03:46 PM.
Yazeh (March 13th, 2023)
Yazeh (March 13th, 2023)
Hi Lloyd,
you could do a mix of ESSRI (DRI should work as well) and Gutenberg G10:
G10_ESSRI.jpg
It is not the deepest black - from a dry pen even a "shading black".
Best
Jens
Last edited by Schaumburg_Swan; March 12th, 2023 at 08:12 PM.
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Has the candle powered inkwell been invented? A flame will consume all the oxygen.
Darn it! I kept reading about iron gall and because of that I had to buy a bottle of Blaufliessende Eisengallustinte. Now I regret not getting the red too.
That will be my first iron gall ink, if we exclude some Platinum blue-black cartridges and some noname Chinese made cartridges (who are delicately perfumed to mask the iron smell).
And now I'm wondering what pen to use when it arrives? Sailor 1911 MF? Pilot Falcon SEF, since it that ink is well lubricated?
And not only that, here is the Anna Amalia Library in Weimar. https://www.planet-wissen.de/gesells...apremiumxl.jpg
I advise caution at IG with coated stainless steel nibs and metal appliqués that are not intended for permanent ink contact. Bare stainless steel nibs are no problem. This is because if the IG ink is concentrated for a long time, it may eventually peel the coating.
Ok that's probably a stupid question, but does that apply to rhodium coated nibs too? Or just PVD coated nibs, like the Lamy Z52 for ex?
Sounds like Sailor 1911 it will be, that's one of my only standard gold nibs.
Lithium466 (March 15th, 2023)
I just read through the Registrars Ink discussion on the FPN. Here's the historical chemistry of the iron gall inks in quick. The inks have been in use since at least the Middle Ages and the change in writing instruments changes the inks. In the case of the goose quill, they were more pigmented and more viscous. With the metal nibs in the 19th century, they were made thinner by keeping more IG in solution, the agent for this is acid, the inks became more acidic. The fountain pen IG inks, which pigment over time (and the air) in the bottle, are then unsuitable for fountain pens with the strong precipitation, but not for dip pens.
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