Büroservice Bergmann Blaufliessende Eisengallustinte (blue flowing iron gall)

[Yazeh]

The name is a mouthful.

I discovered this ink thanks @christof.

Another good ink for Iron gall ink lovers.
They are made in Germany and exclusively sold by the maker Thomas Bergmann.
https://www.kalligraphie-shop.com/ep...roducts/32000T
They come in 2 colours: red and blue in De Atramentis type bottles.
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This is an almost black ink, in the true IG sense. If you’ve written with dip pen IG inks (Like Bach’s which turns into a glossy black), this one comes close, depending on the amount of ink concentration.
Here is a comparaison with two other famous IGs.

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It has an interesting chroma
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While I enjoyed using it, I prefer the Red to this. Mostly because it has not the waterproofness of Essri. If you’re looking for a perfect waterproof ink, go for the big three Essri, Akkerman IG, or Diamine Registrars ( I haven’t tried KWZ blue black/ and Hero 232).

I rubbed the sample text (on the cheap paper), with a wet Q-tip. This was after 24 hours. Essri didn't budge. The blue component of Bergmann ink smudged. I also did the Q-tip test on a week old text on Tomoe River paper, it smudged.

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Writing samples:
Tomoe River 68gr
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Midori
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Rhodia
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Apica
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On cheap, absorbent paper it turns black instantaneously:
The ghosting isn't as bad as it looks.
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• Pens used: : Jinhao 450 (Medium/fude) /Jinhao X159 – F / Conway Stewart 330/ Pilot Kakuna
• Shading: Yes
• Ghosting: Only on cheap paper. It didn't ghost on Field Notes, an unfriendly FP paper.
• Bleed through: No
• Flow Rate: Wet
• Lubrication: Quite good for an IG
• Nib Dry-out: On the badly sealed X159 yes.
• Start-up: On the badly sealed X159 yes.
• Saturation: Nicely saturated…
• Shading Potential: The ink turn almost black. But it has shading.
• Sheen: None
• Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Not noticed
• Nib Creep / “Crud”: No
• Staining (pen): No,
• Clogging: Nope.
• Water resistance:Good. But not as good as Essri.
• Availability: 1 oz/ 30 ml bottles

Comments appreciated!

[LizEF]

The name is a mouthful.

Pretty sure you just described the German language. :P

Essri says, "Thankth!" for including him in your review.

Tomoe River 68gr
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That color, right there, in the medium nib and "Paul Tillich" - that's the perfect color! Yum! It reminds me of Rohrer & Klingner's now-unobtainium Blau-Schwarz. Shame on them for making it a limited edition!

Thank you for the review, Yazeh!

[mizgeorge]

What a lovely colour - and a great review - thank you ass always Yazeh.

I wish I was a more responsible fountain pen user, who didn't just leave inks in pens for months on end. If I were, I'd let myself use a lot more IG inks and this would definitely be one of them.

[PithyProlix]

Thanks for a great review! I should be receiving this and the red any day now.

I avoid black ink, generally, and this one looks to have good potential as an attractive 'close to black but not black'. I might try it in a dry pen and report back.

[Lloyd]

Does anyone make a black black iron gall ink? One that has black dye (immediately visible) that gets overtaken by the black iron gall?

Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™

[dneal]

I like this ink. Great review.

[Yazeh]

Pretty sure you just described the German language. :P

Essri says, "Thankth!" for including him in your review.

[B]

That color, right there, in the medium nib and "Paul Tillich" - that's the perfect color! Yum! It reminds me of Rohrer & Klingner's now-unobtainium Blau-Schwarz. Shame on them for making it a limited edition!

Thank you for the review, Yazeh!

Yes that's the fude nib for you, it spreads the nib thinly and it doesn't oxidize to black.
Yeah German language is funny, so is Finnish with their extremely long words (Juoksentelisinkohan)
I was planning to do a Snek inside joke on FPN, how did you guess?

[Yazeh]

What a lovely colour - and a great review - thank you ass always Yazeh.

I wish I was a more responsible fountain pen user, who didn't just leave inks in pens for months on end. If I were, I'd let myself use a lot more IG inks and this would definitely be one of them.

You're most welcome. I'm like you, I love letting bulletproof/pigment/IG inks stay in pens. It's the teen rebel in me
But honesty with most pen this one should be a cinch...

[Yazeh]

Does anyone make a black black iron gall ink? One that has black dye (immediately visible) that gets overtaken by the black iron gall?

Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™

Sorry for the long winded response. Hope it helps...

The blue dye (indigo), according to the Ink: Culture, Wonder, and Our Relationship with the Written Word Culture, Wonder, and Our Relationship with the Written Word by Ted Bishop was added to traditional iron gall ink in early 19th century so that newly iron nib wouldn't corrode. It was the transition time between quill and iron, the good old times
I am not sure why they add the blue dye still.

As for a black/ black it all depends on the paper/ink/ wetness of the pen. For example, Registrars turns black quite fast but on Midori water colour paper it remained sky blue for a long long time.
Gutenberg Urkundentinten G10 black is supposedly is brown/ black. I've seen sample writings of it, on German forums that look almost black, but my bottles were pale brown.
The one writes black on absorbent paper with fine/ medium nibs almost instantaneously but then with less absorbent it doesn't.
Traditionally, IG ink was written on parchment (medieval times) it reacted well, and turned black. But then over time it reverted into brown. Also texts written or drawn in IG were very sensitive to humidity. An IG written text deteriorates in 14 days in excess humidity over 70%.
The other problem with IG ink is that it has a short shelf life. And the older it is, the less it turns it oxidizes/ reacts into black. I have old Essri, it's blue black. Still waterproof but it doesn't oxidizes.

[Yazeh]

I like this ink. Great review.

Thank you. If you want a sample drop me a line

[LizEF]

Yes that's the fude nib for you, it spreads the nib thinly and it doesn't oxidize to black.

Got it - dry nib it is!

Yeah German language is funny, so is Finnish with their extremely long words (Juoksentelisinkohan)

I find it funny that German has a word (a long word) for that wooden arm that comes down to stop cars from going over train tracks, whereas in American English, we just swing our arms at the elbow in simulation while saying "that wooden arm that comes down to stop cars from going over train tracks". I wonder if anyone's done a study of who has the longer words? I once visited Helsinki - great city, fabulous restaurants - I'd recommend it to anyone traveling anywhere near.

I was planning to do a Snek inside joke on FPN, how did you guess?

Well, ya know, you mentioned his name, so it was impossible to resist!

[Yazeh]

Thanks for a great review!

Most welcome!

I should be receiving this and the red any day now.

I avoid black ink, generally, and this one looks to have good potential as an attractive 'close to black but not black'. I might try it in a dry pen and report back.

Yep, you need ti find the right paper/ pen combo. But if you use fine/Ef nibs with non absorbent paper, you should be fine

[Yazeh]

Got it - dry nib it is!

Actually it isn't dry. It's wet but it spreads the ink evenly/ thinly...

Yeah German language is funny, so is Finnish with their extremely long words (Juoksentelisinkohan)

I find it funny that German has a word (a long word) for that wooden arm that comes down to stop cars from going over train tracks, whereas in American English, we just swing our arms at the elbow in simulation while saying "that wooden arm that comes down to stop cars from going over train tracks". I wonder if anyone's done a study of who has the longer words? I once visited Helsinki - great city, fabulous restaurants - I'd recommend it to anyone traveling anywhere near.

Haha!
You asked for it:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...d-in-the-world

I was planning to do a Snek inside joke on FPN, how did you guess?

Well, ya know, you mentioned his name, so it was impossible to resist!

Indeed who cannot resist Snek

[LizEF]

Actually it isn't dry. It's wet but it spreads the ink evenly/ thinly...

Got it! No worries, I'll find the right pen for it.

Haha!
You asked for it:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...d-in-the-world

I think chemical and biological names should not count, though! Fun listing - thank you!



Because it should be in both places. (Hope that link works...)

[Yazeh]

This should correspond to an Ef, done by a reverse medium....
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[DrPenfection]

Excellent review as always, Yazeh!

I confess that I am still a bit "gun-shy" when it comes to iron gall inks. And, I haven't really found any where I really like the color a lot.

This one isn't too bad, though.

[Yazeh]

Excellent review as always, Yazeh!

I confess that I am still a bit "gun-shy" when it comes to iron gall inks. And, I haven't really found any where I really like the color a lot.

This one isn't too bad, though.

Thank you so much. I understand than that. One has to use inks that make the soul sing.....

[Thom.]

Does anyone make a black black iron gall ink? One that has black dye (immediately visible) that gets overtaken by the black iron gall?

You can mix the red-flowing and the blue-flowing, but it doesn't get better, just different.

Best regards,
Thomas

[Yazeh]

Does anyone make a black black iron gall ink? One that has black dye (immediately visible) that gets overtaken by the black iron gall?

You can mix the red-flowing and the blue-flowing, but it doesn't get better, just different.

Best regards,
Thomas

I have the red ink in a Noodler's Ahab, in a big cartridge. It's been there for a month. To my surprise it turned into black when I wrote over night

[Thom.]

... into black ...

You could try it. About 2 parts blue-flowing and 1 part red-flowing should "delete" the blue component. But the IG ink body remains unchanged.