2024 Democrat Nominee

[724Seney]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

[Chuck Naill]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

There are attempts that are thwarted and good as when the late John McCain voted against Trump's attempt to end the ACA. This would have harmed those millions you pretend you are concerned about. It ain't the Rich men North of Richmond that is the problem. It is the repetition of Steve Bannon and his ilk by people like you. You've been led down the rabbit hole and have no idea. Do you own a library card?

[724Seney]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

There are attempts that are thwarted and good as when the late John McCain voted against Trump's attempt to end the ACA. This would have harmed those millions you pretend you are concerned about. It ain't the Rich men North of Richmond that is the problem. It is the repetition of Steve Bannon and his ilk by people like you. You've been led down the rabbit hole and have no idea. Do you own a library card?

Babble, hype and hyperbole.
The classic drug salesman's approach when he or she has no facts or data to substantiate their errant claim.
Or, has the Company's fabricated facts........
#moron, #phoney,

[calamus]

Pardon me, but I thought this thread was about who the Democrats were going to nominate for 2024. I know it's really easy to get caught up in a pissing contest, but unless anyone discussing this subject is on diuretics and need to void their bladders further, could we please get back on topic?

Let me take a stab in that direction.

If the election were between Trump and RFK, Jr., I'd vote for RFK. I don't like his stance on killing babies while they're in their mommy's tummies, but I don't think he's depraved enough to support late term abortion, and ain't no Republican gonna stop abortion outright anyway. I'm not aware of any even willing to try.

Unfortunately, he will never get the Democratic nomination. The Covid "vaccine" money machine will make sure he's dead in the water. And they really don't want to face genocide charges, either.

The reality is that he's already dead in the water.

[dneal]

Perhaps the allowance for a Biden campaign should be included instead of excluded.

If so, perhaps the Biden supporters could explain how he will overcome:

- Physical and mental condition
- Legal jeopardy
- Historically low approval ratings
- Current policy disasters (immigration, crime, and economy in particular)

[TSherbs]

Pardon me, but I thought this thread was about who the Democrats were going to nominate for 2024. I know it's really easy to get caught up in a pissing contest, but unless anyone discussing this subject is on diuretics and need to void their bladders further, could we please get back on topic?

Let me take a stab in that direction.

If the election were between Trump and RFK, Jr., I'd vote for RFK. I don't like his stance on killing babies while they're in their mommy's tummies, but I don't think he's depraved enough to support late term abortion, and ain't no Republican gonna stop abortion outright anyway. I'm not aware of any even willing to try.

Unfortunately, he will never get the Democratic nomination. The Covid "vaccine" money machine will make sure he's dead in the water. And they really don't want to face genocide charges, either.

The reality is that he's already dead in the water.

The nominee will be Joe Biden. He won the last election, and he is in the best position to win it again. Unless some sort of golden child came forth with amazing credentials and experience and Democratic Party bonafides, or unless Biden's health completely tanks, Joe Biden will be the nominee. It's fine for people to be interested in other possibilities, and even vote for someone else in their Democratic primaries, but I don't see anything else happening but a Biden/Harris ticket again. We can be cynical about all the reasons (conspiratorial, collusional, or whatever), or we can remember that sitting presidents (especially if they have actually won an election to earn their first term--ie, were not elevated from the vice president's office) don't lose primaries, especially not since 1900 or so. The last one to come close was Jerry Ford (to Reagan), but again, Ford had not won an election for his first term. And sure enough, Ford was weak and lost to Carter in the general election. And he had pardoned a criminal president before him.

[dneal]

The nominee will be Joe Biden. He won the last election, and he is in the best position to win it again.

Please explain how.

[Chuck Naill]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

There are attempts that are thwarted and good as when the late John McCain voted against Trump's attempt to end the ACA. This would have harmed those millions you pretend you are concerned about. It ain't the Rich men North of Richmond that is the problem. It is the repetition of Steve Bannon and his ilk by people like you. You've been led down the rabbit hole and have no idea. Do you own a library card?

Babble, hype and hyperbole.
The classic drug salesman's approach when he or she has no facts or data to substantiate their errant claim.
Or, has the Company's fabricated facts........
#moron, #phoney,

"Nikki Haley pointed this out and David Brooks quoted, "She was the candidate brave enough to state the obvious truth that Trump took decades of G.O.P. fiscal conservative posturing and he blew it to smithereens. The other candidates assumed the usual conservative postures about cutting taxes and spending, but she introduced the reality: Under Trump, the G.O.P. added $8 trillion to the national debt. Where have you been the last seven years?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/o...te-winner.html

I have to ask, Seny, where have you been for the past seven years? Huh??

So when you are putting Biden down yet unable to see what others see and know, who has the problem?

[724Seney]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

There are attempts that are thwarted and good as when the late John McCain voted against Trump's attempt to end the ACA. This would have harmed those millions you pretend you are concerned about. It ain't the Rich men North of Richmond that is the problem. It is the repetition of Steve Bannon and his ilk by people like you. You've been led down the rabbit hole and have no idea. Do you own a library card?

Babble, hype and hyperbole.
The classic drug salesman's approach when he or she has no facts or data to substantiate their errant claim.
Or, has the Company's fabricated facts........
#moron, #phoney,

"Nikki Haley pointed this out and David Brooks quoted, "She was the candidate brave enough to state the obvious truth that Trump took decades of G.O.P. fiscal conservative posturing and he blew it to smithereens. The other candidates assumed the usual conservative postures about cutting taxes and spending, but she introduced the reality: Under Trump, the G.O.P. added $8 trillion to the national debt. Where have you been the last seven years?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/o...te-winner.html

I have to ask, Seny, where have you been for the past seven years? Huh??

So when you are putting Biden down yet unable to see what others see and know, who has the problem?

Chuck, I have said.... repeatedly...... that this is a conversation about Biden. But, you cannot do it; you constantly have to bring Trump into your replies. You refuse to focus upon Biden even though it was you who initiated the discussion. I'm guessing maybe you cannot read?

Make your point with the focus on Biden, not Trump or anybody else. Biden has been the President and Biden is the one whom you have clearly and boldly pronounced to have had such stunning accomplishments. Your words: "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects." Remember??

Forget about everybody else.....you made a claim about Biden. Using the facts which YOU have provided, you have been called out on your claim. Face it Chuck, you cannot substantiate your bogus claim and now you are doing the best you can to dodge the issue and flame me in the process. And then make like you are the innocent victim when some self appointed hall monitor whines about the lack of civility here. Geeze!

As for where I have been over the past seven years, the answer is I've been here watching you do this same thing day in and day out. But, it never gets old.....it's just so entertaining.

[calamus]

If you look at the national debt figures in context, you'll notice that the national debt rose about (less than, actually) two trillion dollars during the first two years of the terms of both of our last two presidents. The rise of over 6 trillion between 2018 and 2020 occurred once the Democrats got control of the House. In 2020 the growth, though still appalling, slowed down again once Republicans got control of the House. It's simplistic to remove Congress from the equation and blame (or credit) only the POTUS.

[TSherbs]

If you look at the national debt figures in context, you'll notice that the national debt rose about (less than, actually) two trillion dollars during the first two years of the terms of both of our last two presidents. The rise of over 6 trillion between 2018 and 2020 occurred once the Democrats got control of the House. In 2020 the growth, though still appalling, slowed down again once Republicans got control of the House. It's simplistic to remove Congress from the equation and blame (or credit) only the POTUS.

To begin to do any substantial analysis of things like GDP or revenues or expenditures or national debt, etc, I imagine that one has to look back over at least 50 years and look at who controlled each of the houses of Congress and the presidency (since we have a balance of powers arrangement) and the Federal Reserve, and factor in (or out) things like war, pandemics, oil embargoes, etc. Even the relative prosperity of other nations affects our debt/surplus equation (I would imagine--I am no accountant or economist).

I personally loath (and distrust) nearly all political assertions of one party (or the other) being more responsible with money (or more responsible for success/failure) than the other. It all strikes me as marketing bullshit. As we have been hearing lately, there is no law against politicians lying to the public or simply at the cameras.

[calamus]

I agree entirely that a proper analysis would be complex. All I'm saying is that you need to include Congress in the equation.

[TSherbs]

I agree entirely that a proper analysis would be complex. All I'm saying is that you need to include Congress in the equation.

for sure

I was adding to your point

[Chuck Naill]

Speaking of what Biden has attempted, the student loan forgiveness, which would relieve the burden that millions of Americans must bear.

Any who is against this action that would help the millions that a member is concerned about? “Republican lawmakers—who had no problem with the government forgiving millions of dollars of their own business loans—have tried everything they can to stop me from providing relief to hardworking Americans. Some are even objecting to the actions we announced today, which follows through on relief borrowers were promised, but never given, even when they had been making payments for decades. The hypocrisy is stunning, and the disregard for working and middle-class families is outrageous.”

And, some Republicans want to increase the age to vote.

Dreamers continue to have no relief because of Republicans.

Immigration reform cannot occur because of Republicans, for which Democrats seek to do.

Alabama senator is holding up military promotions and he doesn't live in the state he serves.

Overall, Biden is more closely related to the people he serves as far as I am concerned. I'll have no problem pulling the lever again.

Ah......
So now we are talking about what Biden has ATTEMPTED to do.
A far cry from something you first referred to as ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
In case you have forgotten, your exact words were "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects."
This coupled with your claim that "Anyone informed knows this".
Guess not...........

This is America Chuck, you can vote for anyone you want but don't go spewing such absurd, totally documentable bull-dink and then feign umbrage when you are accused of trolling.
And, with regard to my trolling comment, I take it back. You were not trolling. You were simply displaying your astonishing level of ignorance.

There are attempts that are thwarted and good as when the late John McCain voted against Trump's attempt to end the ACA. This would have harmed those millions you pretend you are concerned about. It ain't the Rich men North of Richmond that is the problem. It is the repetition of Steve Bannon and his ilk by people like you. You've been led down the rabbit hole and have no idea. Do you own a library card?

Babble, hype and hyperbole.
The classic drug salesman's approach when he or she has no facts or data to substantiate their errant claim.
Or, has the Company's fabricated facts........
#moron, #phoney,

"Nikki Haley pointed this out and David Brooks quoted, "She was the candidate brave enough to state the obvious truth that Trump took decades of G.O.P. fiscal conservative posturing and he blew it to smithereens. The other candidates assumed the usual conservative postures about cutting taxes and spending, but she introduced the reality: Under Trump, the G.O.P. added $8 trillion to the national debt. Where have you been the last seven years?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/o...te-winner.html

I have to ask, Seny, where have you been for the past seven years? Huh??

So when you are putting Biden down yet unable to see what others see and know, who has the problem?

Chuck, I have said.... repeatedly...... that this is a conversation about Biden. But, you cannot do it; you constantly have to bring Trump into your replies. You refuse to focus upon Biden even though it was you who initiated the discussion. I'm guessing maybe you cannot read?

Make your point with the focus on Biden, not Trump or anybody else. Biden has been the President and Biden is the one whom you have clearly and boldly pronounced to have had such stunning accomplishments. Your words: "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects." Remember??

Forget about everybody else.....you made a claim about Biden. Using the facts which YOU have provided, you have been called out on your claim. Face it Chuck, you cannot substantiate your bogus claim and now you are doing the best you can to dodge the issue and flame me in the process. And then make like you are the innocent victim when some self appointed hall monitor whines about the lack of civility here. Geeze!

As for where I have been over the past seven years, the answer is I've been here watching you do this same thing day in and day out. But, it never gets old.....it's just so entertaining.

Thing is, when I provide you with some reasons to support Biden, you readily dismiss. I've tried more than one time. That leave me to think you're not sincere.

Yes, what I posted are true accomplishments. They are true even if you don't want them to be true. Trump's escalation of the deficit are true. So, when you suggest what I posted about Biden is not true, do you disagree that Trump increased what the nation owes. Was Nikky wrong?

[dneal]

Lol, your own evidence dismissed it.

[TSherbs]

Another comment on the national debt (etc). Perhaps, when the debt goes up, maybe what the party in power did was decrease the amount of increase that was coming from policies and actions established decades before. Or the opposite: maybe an ineffectual president (or Congress) should have actually had an even bigger surplus (etc). Not much of the electorate (nor the politicians), however, is interested in a lengthy or complicated analysis over decades. That doesn't fit in a soundbite or Tweet.

[724Seney]

Lol, your own evidence dismissed it.

He is such a clueless buffoon! He does not even see the absurdity of his own comments. His own worst enemy when it comes to defending his claims!

Must be a full moon, the three Stooges are all out in full bloom today. N'yuck, n'yuck, n'yuck.

[Chuck Naill]

Lol, your own evidence dismissed it.

He is such a clueless buffoon! He does not even see the absurdity of his own comments. His own worst enemy when it comes to defending his claims!

Must be a full moon, the three Stooges are all out in full bloom today. N'yuck, n'yuck, n'yuck.

You never have a coherent response. Just attempted personal disparaging comments.

[Chuck Naill]

And Seny, apparently I’ve been here for nearly 4 years, not seven.

[724Seney]

And Seny, apparently I’ve been here for nearly 4 years, not seven.

Sorry, my mistake.
It just seems like seven.....or more.

As for a coherent response, that's not the issue and you know it. It's your way of trying to wriggle out of the position you find yourself in on an almost daily basis.
You make ridiculously erroneous, misguided statements and then try to wriggle your way out of them by playing the role of a victim.
In this case, the facts you, yourself provided completely refuted the point you were trying to make.