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    Trump is constrained as a result of being in the US. The others you mention are unrestrained as a result of where they live.
    Geeze, another slow pitch right over the center of the plate.

    Sanders is from Vermont. Vermont is one of the 50 States.
    Biden Jr currently lives in California. Last I checked that was one of the 50 States as well.
    Good grief, will you please just try to keep up. The reference was to Kim Jong-Un and Vladimir Putin.
    Good grief, would you please learn how to read!
    LOL!!
    That's what we do Chuck.
    We are all grateful for the ever comical nature of your buffoonery.
    Just admit you got it wrong for once...LOL!! How about some what about this like blaming the teachers?? Haha!!
    This is utter nonsense Chuck. Honestly, think and engage your brain before you write..........

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    You're not thinking. You are watching YouTube and waiting for Trump to tell you what to think.
    “He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    You're not thinking. You are watching YouTube and waiting for Trump to tell you what to think.
    See!
    Here we go again!
    This exchange has had nothing to do with Trump. But in the absence of anything else you can try to say or do in order to try & bail yourself out of the mess you've created for yourself, you play the Trump card!
    You are, indeed, a bonafide Stooge.

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    Okay.....
    “He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8

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    You're not thinking. You are watching YouTube and waiting for Trump to tell you what to think.
    See!
    Here we go again!
    This exchange has had nothing to do with Trump. But in the absence of anything else you can try to say or do in order to try & bail yourself out of the mess you've created for yourself, you play the Trump card!
    You are, indeed, a bonafide Stooge.
    Chuck doesn’t even have original insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Trump is constrained as a result of being in the US. The others you mention are unrestrained as a result of where they live.
    There is no clear referent in that sentence when you say "others." Such ambiguity renders meaningful discussion difficult. When 724Seney said "would you please learn how to read," I found myself thinking that while reading comprehension may play a role in your inability to cogently present or counter arguments, your inability to express yourself clearly (other than conveying contempt, which you do quite well) might be more germane. Perhaps if you organized your thoughts more clearly, your arguments might become more cogent. If you have anything of value to say, people could interact with you more meaningfully, and the threads you start and/or try to dominate wouldn't be such exercises in futility for all concerned.
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    2. The fact that Biden is the Democrats first choice, above Sanders and all others, not only demonstrates the fallacy of representative democracy..
    This is a curious claim. Which "fallacy of representative democracy" do you mean? And which "others" do you mean? Do you mean the Democratic rivals that he beat in the primaries/caucuses of 2020?
    @Calamus

    The ambiguity around the word "others" is not, initially, Chuck's fault. It began here, with SIR, two posts sooner, and I directly attempted to address the issue and have him/her clarify the reference for us. But this has not happened yet.

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    No, he is not a Democratic "plant."
    Done a good job of derailing and distracting Republucans from actual policy and governance, no?

    2. The fact that Biden is the Democrats first choice, above Sanders and all others, not only demonstrates the fallacy of representative democracy.. This is a curious claim.
    Which "fallacy of representative democracy" do you mean? And which "others" do you mean? Do you mean the Democratic rivals that he beat in the primaries/caucuses of 2020?
    The fallacy of representative democracy being the illusion of choice and that our choice in the end makes any or the slightest difference.
    The others being basically anyone could not be a greater waster of space and insult to the public at large than Joe Biden, though to be fair a lot of so-called 'leading' Democrats e.g. Harris, Clinton are equally incompetent, untrustworthy, and undeserving of the of the office of Pres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIR View Post

    Done a good job of derailing and distracting Republucans from actual policy and governance, no?

    2. The fact that Biden is the Democrats first choice, above Sanders and all others, not only demonstrates the fallacy of representative democracy.. This is a curious claim.
    Which "fallacy of representative democracy" do you mean? And which "others" do you mean? Do you mean the Democratic rivals that he beat in the primaries/caucuses of 2020?
    The fallacy of representative democracy being the illusion of choice and that our choice in the end makes any or the slightest difference.
    The others being basically anyone could not be a greater waster of space and insult to the public at large than Joe Biden, though to be fair a lot of so-called 'leading' Democrats e.g. Harris, Clinton are equally incompetent, untrustworthy, and undeserving of the of the office of Pres.
    "What he said!"

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    2. The fact that Biden is the Democrats first choice, above Sanders and all others, not only demonstrates the fallacy of representative democracy..
    This is a curious claim. Which "fallacy of representative democracy" do you mean? And which "others" do you mean? Do you mean the Democratic rivals that he beat in the primaries/caucuses of 2020?
    @Calamus

    The ambiguity around the word "others" is not, initially, Chuck's fault. It began here, with SIR, two posts sooner, and I directly attempted to address the issue and have him/her clarify the reference for us. But this has not happened yet.
    Thanks. I'd missed that.
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    Why Can't We All Just Get Along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIR View Post
    Done a good job of derailing and distracting Republucans from actual policy and governance, no?
    Indeed. But this does not make him a "plant." I'm not sure you really meant the claim, so I'll let it go. I'll just repeat, he's no Democratic plant. The GOP has to own their native son.



    The fallacy of representative democracy being the illusion of choice and that our choice in the end makes any or the slightest difference.

    Trump had been interested in running for president or vice president since the late 1980s. He also changed political parties between Democrats, Reform Party, and Republican (where he has settled, but he threatens periodically to leave them, also, and will not pledge to support any leader who wins the GOP primary). Trump is not a Democratic plant; he is simply a voracious ego out to please himself and his desire for power for himself. You are right to question his party loyalty; he has virtually none if the party does not have him at the top.

    Regarding "illusion of choice," perhaps the problem lies in your expectations and how you would define "choice." I have frequently lost in national and local elections, but I have never felt that "representative democracy" was an "illusion." I have even been free to write in any candidate's name that I please (there is a blank space for this on our ballots), and I have done so a few times, nationally and locally. If your point is that there is no level playing field for all candidates, or that the US states do not have equal weight in the primaries and Electoral College, or that the parties put the power of their machinery behind some candidates and not others, or that corporate interests also tip the scales unevenly, then yes, those things are true. But that is different from "choice" being an "illusion." Perhaps you mean "perfectly free and equal choice among a wide variety of candidates representing a healthy and stimulating variety of viewpoints." Whoever promised that? Who expects that? You? The system was not even set up for that. Besides, every democratic representative system includes elections, which are competitions involving winners and losers. Persons whose choices lose the competitions, especially repetitive ones, may begin to feel that there is no "choice" being exercised. But I do not think that this is true at all.

    Representative democracy promises nothing "perfect" or "total" or "complete" or "ideal" or whatever other extremity of democratic ideal one can think of. It's a compromise, and has been since the start. It is a form of shared governance, shared influence, and shared control.

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    Ask about who the Democrat nominee would potentially be if it weren't Biden - because that nominee would likely have to compete against Trump - and the discussion turns to how bad Trump is.

    Avoidance? TDS?

    Curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Ask about who the Democrat nominee would potentially be if it weren't Biden - because that nominee would likely have to compete against Trump - and the discussion turns to how bad Trump is.

    Avoidance? TDS?

    Curious.
    Nah. Not curious at all, given the length and breadth and depth of TDS. Clearly, discussion of whoever runs against the Democrat candidate is germane, but using that opportunity to bloviate about Orange Man bad is poor form.

    Seems pretty certain to me that TDS is another form of socially engineered mass formation psychosis, brought to us by the same fine folks who gave us the Covid "Deadly Virus of Death" mass formation psychosis. Of course, Trump's obnoxious personality and tendency to shoot from the lip made it so much easier to pull off. They didn't even need to falsify mortality figures and lie about "safe and effective" genetic-altering frankenjabs.
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    Sorry dneal, have to disagree with the premise of the original post.
    Absent JRB dying (no, I'm not saying, hinting, theorizing, hoping for his assassination) he has to be the nominee. To do otherwise at this point would require Democrats to admit his character flaws, physical deterioration, and his failed policy initatives. Carville was right.

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    Default Re: 2024 Democrat Nominee

    AP poll on worries about Biden's age: https://apnews.com/article/biden-age...8f607c17c7f23e

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Sorry dneal, have to disagree with the premise of the original post.
    Absent JRB dying (no, I'm not saying, hinting, theorizing, hoping for his assassination) he has to be the nominee. To do otherwise at this point would require Democrats to admit his character flaws, physical deterioration, and his failed policy initatives. Carville was right.

    They have to admit that, and the bribery scheme, which puts a trump card in the GOP pocket through the easy ability to conduct impeachment proceedings all through his campaign.

    Once they're convinced he'll lose (which is to say that none of their schemes will keep him in office), they'll kick him to the curb. It's early in the 2024 campaign season.

    I'm frankly astonished by the incompetence of the Democrat party leadership, but these are the same folks who trotted out a Staples "reset" button as a gimmick and gave the Queen of England an iPod as a state gift; and laughed at the notion of Trump winning in 2016. They couldn't see that the indictments (regardless of how ludicrous they are) would help rather than hurt Trump. Now they seem to think another covid scare is the ticket.

    The Peter Principle is alive and well.

    -edit-

    TSherbs' AP article is another sign of the pivot. CNN was openly discussing DOJ corruption last week.
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    Default Re: 2024 Democrat Nominee

    Yes, but never underestimate the ability of Republicans to screw things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Yes, but never underestimate the ability of Republicans to screw things up.
    Sad but true.

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