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    Biden will be lucky to make it through this Presidential term, and can’t possibly (or believably) win a second.

    So if he doesn’t end up the nominee, who will it be?
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    Three of the Democrats who served on the January 6 Committe are competent politicians. Adam Schiff will probably run someday. Whoever it is needs to appeal to Republican swing voters as well as independents and Democrats, not an easy situation. It is not as if the Democrats have a lack of talent. Many are perhaps too academic or elite to appeal to rural voters. I don't need a leader to know how to raise cattle or plant corn. I don't care if they change their own oil. I do need someone who has the experiential knowledge to lead globally.
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    I think the pundits say Gabin Newsom has the best chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emes441 View Post
    I think the pundits say Gabin Newsom has the best chance.
    I’ve heard the same. I don’t see how he overcomes images of crime and homelessness, let alone the San Francisco “poop map”.

    Michelle Obama’s name gets tossed out there occasionally too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    I think the pundits say Gabin Newsom has the best chance.
    I’ve heard the same. I don’t see how he overcomes images of crime and homelessness, let alone the San Francisco “poop map”.

    Michelle Obama’s name gets tossed out there occasionally too.
    Right- forgot about the other Obama.

    Does RFK stand a shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    I think the pundits say Gabin Newsom has the best chance.
    I’ve heard the same. I don’t see how he overcomes images of crime and homelessness, let alone the San Francisco “poop map”.
    How did Joseph Biden and Kamala Harris overcome their track records and get elected? The stupidity of the American electorate, the constant barrage of left-wing propaganda from the so-called news media, and still-rampant TDS (not to go off-topic) made it as easy as pie, and would make it just as easy for Newsome. And that's assuming no ballot box stuffing or vote-flipping by voting machines illegally hooked up to the internet. (Yeah, I know Dominion denies it. So sue me.)

    I live in California, and the mentality of the majority of people out here has to be experienced first hand to be believed. Many of them still won't leave their houses or answer their doors without wearing a mask, and that's just one of many for instances. The big thing now is all the "woke" people who have never voted for anyone anyone other than a Democrat (unless maybe for a candidate from the Green Party or the Peace and Freedom Party) going around saying, "Can you believe how extreme those woke people are?" The joke is that they are onboard with probably every aspect of the "woke" agenda except for maybe one or two exceptionally extreme positions that they personally can't support. It might be sexually mutilating children, it might be defunding police in the most violent communities in the country, or something else that's so in your face that no sane person could support it, but having said that, they congratulate themselves on "not being woke." And then they'll go right ahead and vote for those same woke politicians that they agree with only 95% of the time, be it Newsome, or Biden again if the Democratic Party hasn't put him out to pasture or thrown him under the bus, or anyone else that the power behind the throne selects in the name of the American people -- because, hey, at least it's not a Republican.
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    Yes, those are some of the problems.

    So who is that leader from the D side for 2024? They need to be able to beat Trump, Vivek or DeSantis.

    It’s certainly not Adam Schiff - and he could never win a national election.
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    Everyone knows I’m a John Kasich fan. He’s smart, experienced, relatable, and moral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Everyone knows I’m a John Kasich fan. He’s smart, experienced, relatable, and moral.
    He’s not a Democrat.

    It’s a simple question, Chuck. Who is the nominee if it’s not Biden?
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    RFK’s got the most favorable rating of any candidate, in any party. I think he’s the one guy who stands a chance of beating Trump.

    The fact that his party is so against him tells you more about the current state of the Democrat party than anything - and they have superdelegates to rig their primary.

    20 years ago his positions would be normal from a liberal Democrat. Today the liberal pundits say he’s a kook.
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    LOL!!
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    I don't think "LOL" is running, but it does apply to a bunch of the Democrat options.

    I'll wait for the NYT to tell you who it should be.
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    noone questioning the minimum age to be president?!
    i ain't a US citizen and if i was i'd probably be staunchly Republican, but if the choice was AOC vs Trump ...

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    Still no alternatives?

    Even if Biden survives the investigation, there's no way he's going to beat any of the top 3 GOP hopefuls. The conspiracy theorists are saying there's a leaked TSA memo about masks coming back in October, and lockdowns in December due to some new Covid variant. That's not going to work a second time.

    The left needs a viable candidate. Chuck thinks it should be a washed up Republican.
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    If you don't like the thread drift, remember you brought up Covid and Republicans.

    If masks come back, I will be among the first to use one. As a volunteer, church goer, and in the community, I am around and close to a lot of people. Why infect them if wearing a device will help. It is how you love others as you love yourself. I'll get another variant Covid-19 vaccine soon and a flu vaccine at the beginning of October as I have for decades. For me, it is common sense.

    What is unknown at this point is what is the silent majority thinking and especially the informed silent majority. Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects. Anyone informed knows this. That no other candidate has come forward at the point means, for better or worse, the Democrats understand that a house divided cannot stand.

    If you think Kasich is washed up, that tells me more about you than anything else. I would support Cheney over a whining Trump. She didn't whine. Not being a Democrat, I am not as familiar with them as I am with those on the other side. I only like Christy because he is willing to face off with Trump. I don't find him inspiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    What is unknown at this point is what is the silent majority thinking and especially the informed silent majority. Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects. Anyone informed knows this.
    Ok Chuck. Just for the purpose of this conversation, let's forget about Trump and only be thinking about Biden. No comparisons, no predictions, no nothing. Just Biden.

    Do you really believe what you have said?? Honestly, other than (some, not all) Democratic politicians, the Biden White House and the DNC, I have never heard a sole say this, which you claim as fact, to be true. I'm not talking about far right conservatives, I'm talking about plain, every day, middle of the road, middle class folks. The heart & soul of America. By and large, just about every facet of their lives has become more challenging and more stressful as a result of the Biden presidency and policies. They are miserable and are losing hope.
    What you say is just not true.

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    What is unknown at this point is what is the silent majority thinking and especially the informed silent majority. Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects. Anyone informed knows this.
    Ok Chuck. Just for the purpose of this conversation, let's forget about Trump and only be thinking about Biden. No comparisons, no predictions, no nothing. Just Biden.

    Do you really believe what you have said?? Honestly, other than (some, not all) Democratic politicians, the Biden White House and the DNC, I have never heard a sole say this, which you claim as fact, to be true. I'm not talking about far right conservatives, I'm talking about plain, every day, middle of the road, middle class folks. The heart & soul of America. By and large, just about every facet of their lives has become more challenging and more stressful as a result of the Biden presidency and policies. They are miserable and are losing hope.
    What you say is just not true.
    I voted for Biden because for me, I had no choice since I would never want to have a history of having voted for Trump on my conscience. YMMV, as always.

    What was attributed to Trump I only heard from a few Republicans. The trajectory Trump inherited from Obama was upward. His tax cuts took away deductibles for me like milage and fees to manage my investments. You should not have to ask, but the deficit was increased because of those tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy, who already had plenty of deductions. For example, a business owner could deduct his $80k pick up, but Joe Blow working at the company couldn't deduct milage if he used it for his job.

    What has become more challenging for these people you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 724Seney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    What is unknown at this point is what is the silent majority thinking and especially the informed silent majority. Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects. Anyone informed knows this.
    Ok Chuck. Just for the purpose of this conversation, let's forget about Trump and only be thinking about Biden. No comparisons, no predictions, no nothing. Just Biden.

    Do you really believe what you have said?? Honestly, other than (some, not all) Democratic politicians, the Biden White House and the DNC, I have never heard a sole say this, which you claim as fact, to be true. I'm not talking about far right conservatives, I'm talking about plain, every day, middle of the road, middle class folks. The heart & soul of America. By and large, just about every facet of their lives has become more challenging and more stressful as a result of the Biden presidency and policies. They are miserable and are losing hope.
    What you say is just not true.
    I voted for Biden because for me, I had no choice since I would never want to have a history of having voted for Trump on my conscience. YMMV, as always.

    What was attributed to Trump I only heard from a few Republicans. The trajectory Trump inherited from Obama was upward. His tax cuts took away deductibles for me like milage and fees to manage my investments. You should not have to ask, but the deficit was increased because of those tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy, who already had plenty of deductions. For example, a business owner could deduct his $80k pick up, but Joe Blow working at the company couldn't deduct milage if he used it for his job.

    What has become more challenging for these people you know?
    Chuck, once again, this is not about Trump, it is about Biden, so please stop bringing Trump into the conversation.

    With regard to your question, ("What has become more challenging for these people you know?") I think dneal has addressed your question in his recent posts. It's all basic blocking and tackling, meat & potatoes type stuff. The vast majority don't have any investments to speak of hence no concerns about deductions relative to them.

    But, let's look at it another way........
    Show me a poll, any poll, that validates your claim that "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects." Since you say "Anyone informed knows this". you should have lots of polling data readily available to substantiate that claim.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 724Seney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    What is unknown at this point is what is the silent majority thinking and especially the informed silent majority. Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects. Anyone informed knows this.
    Ok Chuck. Just for the purpose of this conversation, let's forget about Trump and only be thinking about Biden. No comparisons, no predictions, no nothing. Just Biden.

    Do you really believe what you have said?? Honestly, other than (some, not all) Democratic politicians, the Biden White House and the DNC, I have never heard a sole say this, which you claim as fact, to be true. I'm not talking about far right conservatives, I'm talking about plain, every day, middle of the road, middle class folks. The heart & soul of America. By and large, just about every facet of their lives has become more challenging and more stressful as a result of the Biden presidency and policies. They are miserable and are losing hope.
    What you say is just not true.
    I voted for Biden because for me, I had no choice since I would never want to have a history of having voted for Trump on my conscience. YMMV, as always.

    What was attributed to Trump I only heard from a few Republicans. The trajectory Trump inherited from Obama was upward. His tax cuts took away deductibles for me like milage and fees to manage my investments. You should not have to ask, but the deficit was increased because of those tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy, who already had plenty of deductions. For example, a business owner could deduct his $80k pick up, but Joe Blow working at the company couldn't deduct milage if he used it for his job.

    What has become more challenging for these people you know?
    Chuck, once again, this is not about Trump, it is about Biden, so please stop bringing Trump into the conversation.

    With regard to your question, ("What has become more challenging for these people you know?") I think dneal has addressed your question in his recent posts. It's all basic blocking and tackling, meat & potatoes type stuff. The vast majority don't have any investments to speak of hence no concerns about deductions relative to them.

    But, let's look at it another way........
    Show me a poll, any poll, that validates your claim that "Mr. Biden has been able to improve the lives of millions of Americans and put together programs that will have lasting positive effects." Since you say "Anyone informed knows this". you should have lots of polling data readily available to substantiate that claim.....

    This was an easy, simple, search...

    "Here’s how the United States has fared since President Joe Biden took office two years ago:

    The economy added 10.7 million jobs under Biden, putting the total 1.2 million higher than before the pandemic.
    The unemployment rate dropped back to 3.5%; unfilled job openings surged, with over 1.7 for every unemployed jobseeker.
    Inflation roared back to the highest level in over 40 years before slowing markedly in late 2022. Overall, consumer prices are up nearly 14%. Gasoline is up 39.1%.
    Wages rose briskly, by 9.5%. But after adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings went down 4.1%.
    The number of people without health insurance went down by 4.2 million.
    The trade deficit for 2022 is still on pace to set a new record.
    Economic growth has bounced back after two consecutive quarters of negative growth, and corporate profits reached a new high.
    Crude oil production has increased over 4%, and crude oil imports are up 7.5%.
    Gun purchases, as measured by background checks for firearm sales, declined for the second consecutive year.
    The number of people receiving federal food assistance has increased slightly.
    The publicly held debt is up 13.7%, even as annual deficits have declined.
    Apprehensions of those trying to illegally cross the southwest border into the U.S. are up 351% for the past 12 months, compared with President Donald Trump’s last year in office.
    Stocks performed poorly. The S&P 500-stock index inched up 3.1%."

    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/bi...y-2023-update/
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    Default Re: 2024 Democrat Nominee

    There is no drift to the thread, because there have been no serious answers other than emes441's.

    You talk about a need to unite the left and right, and then mention Schiff, Cheney and Kasich - and apparently do not see the absurdity in those suggestions within your own criteria.

    Saying "Biden has improved the lives of millions of Americans" is (I hope) simple trolling. Maybe you missed the 8.8% inflation the first year, with the talking point being how it's down to 'only' 4 percent. He's been an economic disaster. Today, New Yorkers were protesting Mayor Adams' filling up old-folks homes with migrants, and he was having them arrested. That's Biden's border policy, with GOP governors making sure "sanctuary cities" got a taste. His only hope is that people hate Trump more than him, but the cost of living increases (not to mention the student loan bills that are about to come due) makes that unlikely. That's not even addressing the 10% for the big guy scandal.

    So back to the question. Under the assumption that Biden doesn't run, who is the Democrat nominee? The fact that none of you regulars can answer is more telling than anything.
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