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    So satisfying to have authored a thread now pursuing such lines of deep philosophical inquiry. Will surely have to do it again.


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    I thought I'd see if there was a Dr. Who fountain pen ink in a feeble attempt to steer the thread back on course, but alas, there wasn't. Even worse news, I found ballpoint pens with floating Tardises and Daleks and Cybermen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliant Bill View Post
    So satisfying to have authored a thread now pursuing such lines of deep philosophical inquiry. Will surely have to do it again.
    To be fair, there were at least a dozen sincere replies to your question at the beginning.

    I blame Lloyd (as all Mainers blame Massachusetts for everything).

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    I'll take a stab at going back to the original question.

    I buy the color almost every time. Since I live in the boonies (lightly populated rural area), there are no pen shops and no places that carry inks except for one office supply shop that carries blue or black cartridges for one or two major brands. That means if I want to learn about inks, I'm limited to two sources -- letters from penpals and online reviews. If it's from a penpal, I don't pay any attention to what the color is called unless I want to buy some and need to know it to order some; it's the color that attracts me and not the name. With online reviews (and they include reviews by Chrissy and other FPG members, and also Mountain of Ink, my favorite website for ink reviews, as well as others, like the Anderson Ink Tool), I read the comments and they help me decide if I'm interested or not.

    Often swabs or writing samples of similar inks will be posted alongside the ink under review. In instances like that, assuming the colors are close enough, other factors can come into play. These include how the ink behaves, how well it shades, dry time, water resistance, and price (which I have to look up elsewhere). Also things like how safe is it for vintage pens, does it tend toward nib creep, etc. I assume that the name has a subconscious effect on me, but it's rare that I want an ink because it's got a cool name. I've been intrigued by Writer's Blood, for example, but if I were to get an ink like that, it would be Oxblood, because I like the color better. The one exception is that I might someday get a bottle of DeAtramentis Sherlock Holmes because of the cool silhouette of Sherlock on the front of the bottle, and the photo of Arthur Conan Doyle on the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    So satisfying to have authored a thread now pursuing such lines of deep philosophical inquiry. Will surely have to do it again.
    To be fair, there were at least a dozen sincere replies to your question at the beginning.

    I blame Lloyd (as all Mainers blame Massachusetts for everything).
    I feel like a sacrificial lamb.... where's the mint jelly?

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    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
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    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?

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    Calamus reminds me that I do want some inks ALSO for their bottles. I don't own any Akkerman inks yet, but I want one PARTLY for the bottle.

    And sometimes boxes are cool. I appreciate box stackability, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    The Diamine Inkvent, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    Colorverse could do a pairing of Lamb (it's pink once it's cooked) and Mint (light green).

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    M: I came here for a good argument.
    A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Calamus reminds me that I do want some inks ALSO for their bottles. I don't own any Akkerman inks yet, but I want one PARTLY for the bottle.

    And sometimes boxes are cool. I appreciate box stackability, too.
    Stationery is the disease. Ink (and the bottles and boxes and colors, etc.) are just a symptom!!

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    Be careful with Ackerman Parkpop Purper. The color is so intense it could put your eye out just looking at it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Calamus reminds me that I do want some inks ALSO for their bottles. I don't own any Akkerman inks yet, but I want one PARTLY for the bottle.
    I bought one on ebay just for it's bottle. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    The Diamine Inkvent, perhaps?
    Not this time but do you really want pink ink with green shimmer LOL???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
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    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    The Diamine Inkvent, perhaps?
    Not this time but do you really want pink ink with green shimmer LOL???
    Um, NO!

    But, also to the point, what color is "mint jelly" in the UK???????

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    I have Red Dragon, but also Dragon Blood. The names caught my attention :- )

    I almost bought Black Swan in English Roses, but the postage was too high, so I went for Burgundy Rose in stead. I can fuss endlessly with dark reds, I am still looking for a dark one that shows a bit more red on paper.

    There must be a tradition of naming inks, I have not been able to track down any origins. Herbin is said to have made an ink especially for Victor Hugo, at one point they had a French Writers edition of inks. I would likely fall for it.

    I think there is a need for inventive names, as long as there is an endless list of colors and shades, "red", "dark red", "black" and "blacker" will not do. A number system would not be practical other then in a catalog. On the other hand, ink brands may be appealing too much to our imagination than our basic needs.

    At this point I have concluded I need a bunch of samples to get the right shade. Descriptions and pictures on my pc monitor are never the same as on paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    The Diamine Inkvent, perhaps?
    Not this time but do you really want pink ink with green shimmer LOL???
    Does anyone really want a pale yellow ink? I bet you can name several such inks despite no one clamoring for diluted urine.

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    M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A: It can be.
    M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
    A: No it isn't.
    M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A: Yes it is!
    M: No it isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    where's the mint jelly?
    Have Nathan or Organic Inks made that color yet?
    The Diamine Inkvent, perhaps?
    Not this time but do you really want pink ink with green shimmer LOL???
    Ah. Sounds like an ink that might be called Watermelon Tourmaline.
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    This thread made my day! (See I do drop in from time to time).

    True confessions: I have a ridiculous number of bottles of ink. That said, I don't have very many different brands.

    Why? Well, I am all about the behavior and "feel" of the ink. Yes, I love color, but since many brands have so many colors, it isn't a major factor for me. If I try a new ink, and like the feel, I have a tendency of buying at least one bottle every color made by that ink manufacturer, with a few exceptions. So, for example, I have every Pilot Iroshizuku ink, many DeAtramentis inks, many of the Sailor inks (i.e. all the Manyo and Shikiori/Jentle lines and a few of the Ink Studio and 50 States, albeit the Yurameku inks are a bit dry), a lot of Montblanc inks (yes, I like MB inks and find many of them worthwhile, albeit expensive), all the GvFC inks, most of the Rohrer & Klingner, most of Birmingham Pen Co inks in the old "swift" formula (which they no longer make), and a handful of others that were given to me.

    Conversely, if I really don't like the behavior or feel of the ink, I end up never buying a bottle of ink from that manufacturer. In some cases, I tried several inks from a manufacturer and found them all disagreeable (i.e. Noodlers). Some inks are just way too dry from my taste (Van Dieman's) - probably because I live in a very dry area.

    I know that some brands have different formulas for their inks - some which are advertised (Birmingham, Private Reserve, Monteverde to name a few) - and some which are not advertised (Diamine, Robert Oster, etc). But I really look for consistency in a brand. For example, I can almost guarantee how a Pilot Iroshizuku ink is going to behave if (and when?) they introduce a new color, so I will not hesitate to order a bottle or two. But other brands are not so reliable.

    I also write almost exclusively on Japanese papers (Sanzen Tomoe River, Kokoyo Century Thin Paper, etc) and Rhodia papers. One thing I despise is if the ink is so saturated that it does not dry completely and smears. Some of the super saturated Diamine inks are this ways, as is some of the new Jacques Herbin inks). On more absorbent paper this may not be a problem, but for the papers that I use, this is a big problem.

    Regarding marketing hype, I really don't fall for that. In fact, many times it puts me off. I don't own any Ferris Wheel Press, Dominant Industry, Wearingui, and other inks being pushed right now.

    I guess that makes me a card-carrying ink snob.

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    I have a ridiculous amount of ink bottles. I did buy two recently that I wanted, and had tried samples from in the past, even so. I realized I had enough ink, when some of mine tended to be similar. When I tried new inks I finally realized I had sampled so much, that I found what I liked and got them for the most part. But now it is like, I really do not need any new inks. If I buy one now, it will most likely just be a replacement for one that ran out. I went through each ink color, and chose the ones I thought best. I have seen a ton of reviews on ink as well. I decided I was not going to buy any more Sailor inks, sadly. I am getting fairly low on a bottle of blue permanent ink, and when it is out, I may go for a green instead. Most of my ink is not permanent, but I do prefer high water resistance if possible. I have not tried any new ink brands that have popped up in the last 3 years or so, and I doubt that I will. I am not stuck on any one brand. Sailor was my favorite, some Noodlers, and some Diamine. I have other brands, but the 3 I mentioned were the most common to find in my collection. I liked those small bottles of Diamine and you could have a wider assortment that way too. That is how I found Burgundy Rose. I liked it so much I bought a few small bottles, and put them in an empty full sized bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKay View Post
    I liked those small bottles of Diamine and you could have a wider assortment that way too. That is how I found Burgundy Rose. I liked it so much I bought a few small bottles, and put them in an empty full sized bottle.
    Diamine Burgundy Rose is the original clone for Montblanc Hitchcock although from the name people would never know.
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