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    Cool Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    Noodler's Bad Green Gator, belongs to the warden series (4 inks). Itís forgery proof.

    There are inks that are love and first write, this was one of them, maybe because I have a thing for Gators. But itís a bad, bad ink. If I didnít have a bottle of Polar Green, then this wouldíve been my go-to green ink. But thankfully iy isn't. Confusing, eh? 🇨🇦

    It made the Osmiroid pen, which is dry, write like a dream and no ink normally does, (the pen has flow issues)

    But would I recommend it? absolutely not. Itís one of the most difficult inks that Iíve ever cleaned out of a pen. More difficult than Kung Te-Cheng and Polar Green, which are low maintenance compared to this thing. The ink sticks to everything. I had to let it soak in a pen solution twice for long hours. It'll make your Ef and would bleed the bejesus out of any paper. I didn't test it on copy paper, it's pointless when it bleeds through Tomoe River 68gr paper (the thick one_

    I would recommend this only for cheap pens with a great seal, and with a F nib on Midori/ Rhodia/ Maruman papers. Or alternatively on thick absorbent papers.

    Let's start with the chroma:
    Chroma Bad Green Gator.jpg

    Writing samples:
    Rhodia- Noodler's BGG .jpgMidori - Noodler's BGG.jpegTr 69 - Noodler's BGG-.jpg
    Photo:
    Bad Green Gator.jpg
    Comparison:

    Comparison - Bad Green Gator.jpeg
    Water test (Left side was under water for 10 second, nothing budged)
    Watertest.jpeg
    And finally an artwork: Inkotober yearly challenge - Sing
    Other inks used:
    Anderson Pens' Oshkosh Denim
    Platninum Carbon Black
    Super5 - Delhi (orange ink)
    Pen Pťbťo Gold Marker
    Lierre Sauvage Mixed with a hint of Kuretake Black ink....





    ∑ Pens used: Pilot Kakuno Ef, Lamy Safari (EF/F/M/B, 1.1), Osmiroid Copper Plate
    ∑ What I liked: It made the Osmiorid write like a dream, ultra fast dry times, waterproofness, name.
    ∑ What I did not like: bleed through, limited use, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning,
    ∑ What some might not like: Almost everything about it 
    ∑ Shading: Non-existent.
    ∑ Ghosting: On most papers.
    ∑ Bleed through: same as above.
    ∑ Flow Rate: Very wet
    ∑ Lubrication: Above average.
    ∑ Nib Dry-out: Did not notice.
    ∑ Start-up: No.
    ∑ Saturation: Yes.
    ∑ Shading Potential: Dismal
    ∑ Sheen: Nope.
    ∑ Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Yes.
    ∑ Nib Creep / ďCrudĒ: Did not notice.
    ∑ Staining (pen): It sticks to everything. It's like the Baystate Blue of Greens
    ∑ Clogging: No.
    ∑ Cleaning: High maintenance. Needs pen flush and multiple rounds of it.
    ∑ Water resistance: Excellent.
    ∑ Availability: 3 oz /90 ml bottles.

    Please don't hesitate to share your experience, writing samples or any other comments. The more the merrier

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    Default Re: Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    Thank you, Yazeh, for enduring this ink and warning the rest of us to stay away from the 'gator! Love your drawings, though - so much fun.

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    Default Re: Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    Quote Originally Posted by LizEF View Post
    Thank you, Yazeh, for enduring this ink and warning the rest of us to stay away from the 'gator!
    Well Gators unlike sphinxes and Sneks, are dangerous, unless their baaaaaaad !
    Quote Originally Posted by LizEF View Post
    Love your drawings, though - so much fun.
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    Heh, this is the exact ink which made me stay off Noodler's inks in general.

    I forgot now how did I even ended up with a sample vial, but when I tried it, not only I didn't like the color, but as you said, it stained anything it touches and it feels a bit "thick" as in the opposite of watery.
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    Fantastic! I absolutely love the gator band - they just look so baaaaaaad

    I'm pleased that I don't even like the colour of this one - I think it thoroughly deserves its bad reputation.

    Thank you as always for putting yourself through the torture test...

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    Quote Originally Posted by penwash View Post
    Heh, this is the exact ink which made me stay off Noodler's inks in general.

    I forgot now how did I even ended up with a sample vial, but when I tried it, not only I didn't like the color, but as you said, it stained anything it touches and it feels a bit "thick" as in the opposite of watery.
    They are not all so bad, but the warden series, at least this one, is as bad as Baystate group!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    Fantastic! I absolutely love the gator band - they just look so baaaaaaad

    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    I'm pleased that I don't even like the colour of this one - I think it thoroughly deserves its bad reputation.


    Quote Originally Posted by mizgeorge View Post
    Thank you as always for putting yourself through the torture test...
    It was fun in the beginning, the ending is was not so happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Noodler's Bad Green Gator, belongs to the warden series (4 inks). Itís forgery proof.

    There are inks that are love and first write, this was one of them, maybe because I have a thing for Gators. But itís a bad, bad ink. If I didnít have a bottle of Polar Green, then this wouldíve been my go-to green ink. But thankfully iy isn't. Confusing, eh? 🇨🇦

    It made the Osmiroid pen, which is dry, write like a dream and no ink normally does, (the pen has flow issues)

    But would I recommend it? absolutely not. Itís one of the most difficult inks that Iíve ever cleaned out of a pen. More difficult than Kung Te-Cheng and Polar Green, which are low maintenance compared to this thing. The ink sticks to everything. I had to let it soak in a pen solution twice for long hours. It'll make your Ef and would bleed the bejesus out of any paper. I didn't test it on copy paper, it's pointless when it bleeds through Tomoe River 68gr paper...
    Yah, I hated this ink when I tried it. Everything about it.

    But of course thanks for the effort on the review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post

    Yah, I hated this ink when I tried it. Everything about it.

    But of course thanks for the effort on the review.
    Most welcome and thanks for sharing your experience

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    Hooray, an ink that I have AND use!

    It is employed in a Hero 329 exclusively, for writing checks, and sketching when I want an ink impervious to watercolors. In fact this Bad ink is impervious to everything, including a cleaning. It leaves a stained sac with flakes in it. Flakes of what? Pigment? Shellac? Who knows? But baaad it is.

    (Also a little bad is Lierre Sauvage, being dry and reluctant.)

    I dilute The Bad One with 90% water for a soft sage green. In hindsight, I should have used BGG in a cartridge/converter pen.

    Love the sketches! The BGG trio looks like they are all having a lot of fun. And thanks as always, Yazeh, for these fantastic reviews.


    My other pen is a Montblanc.

    And my other blog is a tumblr!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Hooray, an ink that I have AND use!

    It is employed in a Hero 329 exclusively, for writing checks, and sketching when I want an ink impervious to watercolors. In fact this Bad ink is impervious to everything, including a cleaning. It leaves a stained sac with flakes in it. Flakes of what? Pigment? Shellac? Who knows? But baaad it is.

    I'm impressed. For someone whose so reticent about anything pigment, you have the baddest of bads

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post

    (Also a little bad is Lierre Sauvage, being dry and reluctant.)
    I yet have to review it. It was one of my first bottles of inks
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    I dilute The Bad One with 90% water for a soft sage green. In hindsight, I should have used BGG in a cartridge/converter pen.
    Someone else on the overside diluted to 75%, 90%, it must look really lovey. Would love to see your watercolours one day

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Love the sketches! The BGG trio looks like they are all having a lot of fun. And thanks as always, Yazeh, for these fantastic reviews.

    Thanks! I've been lingering on that one for a month, believe it or not

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    Default Re: Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    Not to threadjack butÖ

    Here's one.



    My other pen is a Montblanc.

    And my other blog is a tumblr!


    And my latest ebook, for spooky wintery reading:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CM2NGSSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    No thread jack, ! Truly exquisite
    Thanks, Yazeh!
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

    And my other blog is a tumblr!


    And my latest ebook, for spooky wintery reading:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Not to threadjack butÖ

    Here's one.



    There's a spot close to our home, which is a reflection of what you've drawn, exquisitely!

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    Default Re: Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    By coincidence we had a short discussion about Noodler's inks at the Space City Pen Club October Zoom meet.This was how the discussion went:

    Many years ago Nathan Tardiff described his Bulletproof inks as being able to resist: "all the known tools of a forger, UV light, UV light wands, bleaches, alcohols, solvents, petrochemicals, oven cleaners, carpet cleaners, carpet stain lifters..." and the like, once it has dried on cellulose paper. Of course, they are also waterproof. However, this effect only applies to cellulose paper. It doesn't apply to Rock Paper, or to non-plant-based sheets such as genuine vellum or parchment (or to skin, for that matter).

    I had not heard this before and I didn't know any of this information but the chat continued that apparently, at some point, he offered a monetary prize amount to anyone who could prove his claim untrue. Someone proved it untrue because they claimed that the ink faded when exposed to laser.

    Nathan paid out the money and from then on he renamed his inks that were also resistant to fading by laser. At the time these were then reclassified as Warden's inks but are now all prefixed by the word Bad..... Forgery proof - even laser.

    (Thanks to Mark Goode for this information)
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    Default Re: Noodler's Bad Green Gator

    @Chrissy, thanks for sharing this information. Much appreciated 🙏

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    You're welcome. I found it fascinating and am pleased to have the chance to pass it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    You're welcome. I found it fascinating and am pleased to have the chance to pass it on.
    These tidbits are the stuff of gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    By coincidence we had a short discussion about Noodler's inks at the Space City Pen Club October Zoom meet.This was how the discussion went:

    Many years ago Nathan Tardiff described his Bulletproof inks as being able to resist: "all the known tools of a forger, UV light, UV light wands, bleaches, alcohols, solvents, petrochemicals, oven cleaners, carpet cleaners, carpet stain lifters..." and the like, once it has dried on cellulose paper. Of course, they are also waterproof. However, this effect only applies to cellulose paper. It doesn't apply to Rock Paper, or to non-plant-based sheets such as genuine vellum or parchment (or to skin, for that matter).

    I had not heard this before and I didn't know any of this information but the chat continued that apparently, at some point, he offered a monetary prize amount to anyone who could prove his claim untrue. Someone proved it untrue because they claimed that the ink faded when exposed to laser.

    Nathan paid out the money and from then on he renamed his inks that were also resistant to fading by laser. At the time these were then reclassified as Warden's inks but are now all prefixed by the word Bad..... Forgery proof - even laser.

    (Thanks to Mark Goode for this information)
    I remember when this happened. Since I don't usually interact with laser-packing criminals (just the boring bleach-toting ones), I never felt the need for the extra protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    I remember when this happened. Since I don't usually interact with laser-packing criminals (just the boring bleach-toting ones), I never felt the need for the extra protection.

    Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
    I can't remember who contested the challenge to Nathan about forgers being able to use lasers to fade ink. Do you remember or have any more information? Was it some university students who came up with the information and won the money?
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