Tomoe Schmomoe, Give Me Iroful!

[~JJ]

...Something that seems to work occasionally is to put an item in your cart then have a look at it every day for a few days. You might be surprised at the price variation.

What I do is, put items of interest in my cart, & go to Checkout. There, you can remove each with the 'Save For Later' button, & this creates a sort of sub-cart, thus freeing up your regular cart for uncluttered use. The sub-cart's contents are saved on your exit. Thereafter, each time you go to Checkout there's a pop-up up top labeled 'Important message about items in your cart', which (principally) includes price changes of the reserved items. Sometimes those changes can be a rollercoaster ride! When you spot a lowball, strike!

[Chrissy]

I do that too but sometimes those items in your actual cart might do better.

[~JJ]

I'm thinking I perhaps don't understand your "...might do better" [emphasis mine]
Over the years I've bought items maybe 15-20 times that I'd been holding off -- don't recall ever having the checkout price different than what the alert or holding cart showed.

[Chrissy]

Huh? The checkout price is obviously always what amount the cart showed when you pressed buy. I merely said that in my own experience my actual cart (we call it basket) sometimes shows a better price when refreshed daily than my holding cart that might contain the same item sold by a different seller or even Amazon can show more than one price occasionally if they list one item twice. For example I searched for Iroful pad and it came up a couple of ££ cheaper than the price that was already in my holding cart from a few days before.

I don't wish to continue with this conversation as it's getting a bit nit-picking. It was only intended to be a quick tip that I use when buying on Amazon not something that took the whole thread off topic.

Good luck with whichever way you do it. I will continue to do it my way.

[Yazeh]

I've been testing loose A4 papers for sometime. I've noticed something strange. Sometimes mid sentence the ink doesn't adhere to the paper, as if writing on shiny labels. Has anyone noticed this?

It also makes some inks truly shine and look extraordinary, compared to other papers, for examples, J Herbin Café des îles when compared with Rhoida is like two different inks. However, there are inks that even this paper cannot save

[LizEF]

I've been testing loose A4 papers for sometime. I've noticed something strange. Sometimes mid sentence the ink doesn't adhere to the paper, as if writing on shiny labels. Has anyone noticed this?

It also makes some inks truly shine and look extraordinary, compared to other papers, for examples, J Herbin Café des îles when compared with Rhoida is like two different inks. However, there are inks that even this paper cannot save

I've heard that some people have issues with skin oils on this paper - and I've seen it from one pen pal. So that might be the problem - you may need something between your hand and the page. I don't have a problem, but then, I also don't likely have any skin oil left - the desert took it all.

I've also heard that some reds (I think it was, or maybe oranges?) can lean seriously brown. Haven't seen that yet.

[Yazeh]

You might have the point. This happens near the end of the sentence. With B/Stub/flex nibs twice.

It happened with three different inks.
Funny, I don't recall, having had that problem on any other paper.
All three inks are wet. The last two, very.
Herbin Café des îles,
Pelikan Star Ruby
and R*K Royal blue...

Iroful - Probl.jpeg

Iroful - Probl 1.jpeg

Iroful - Probl 2.jpeg

[~JJ]

Skin oils would be my bet too -- done there, been that! At least, the same experience, whether it was from handling it or not. I really haven't used it enough to say much about it definitively -- only 3-4 looseleaf sheets thus far, but def noticed the nib skid in a few spots, and I had handled the paper. Another thing I noticed was a difference in the 'tooth' from one side to the other during my ghosting test.

Iroful's been noted for making your ink colors really 'pop', or look brighter. I found this as so, but not any great degree moreso than other bright white coated papers. My main problem was the stuff I thought had dried []Serenity Blue] 'reactivating' after laying it face down atop a glossy magazine cover the next day. Went to move the sheet & it was lightly stuck to the cover of 'Pen World'..it came away extremely smudged in spots. I posted a picture somewhere around here.

And Chrissy...dayummm dude - you on the rag or something? I saw where you were eatin' somebody else's ass out over something you - incorrectly in my opinion - perceived as 'wrong'. Take a chill pill, guy! I understand now what you meant -- I wasn't nitpicking at all, I was just asking. Jeez!

[calamus]

@~JJ



Kindly save that kind of attitude and language for the Lounge sub-forum

[Chrissy]

@~JJ



Kindly save that kind of attitude and language for the Lounge sub-forum

It's unacceptable. I'm giving him some time to calm down, come back and remove it by editing it. Meanwhile I added him to my ignore list.

[Yazeh]

I have to admit, I was very shocked and disappointed. We are discussing our hobby and paper. And we can disagree, but there's no need for incivility. It's a pity, because this is such an interesting thread about a very unusual paper

[~JJ]

You guys getting your bowels in an uproar apparently didn't see the oh-so-noble one treating another member's innocuous post as if he had given away the crown's secrets, and jumped on him, accused him of being a spammer, AND completely disregarding the topic in doing so. It appears HE was having the 'bad day' and came at me so I said something about it. And if ya thinks I'm about to edit away what I said, ol' chum...pull up a chair.
Period.

[calamus]

You guys getting your bowels in an uproar apparently didn't see the oh-so-noble one treating another member's innocuous post as if he had given away the crown's secrets, and jumped on him, accused him of being a spammer, AND completely disregarding the topic in doing so. It appears HE was having the 'bad day' and came at me so I said something about it. And if ya thinks I'm about to edit away what I said, ol' chum...pull up a chair.
Period.

NOBODY accused you of being a spammer. And even if they had, using gutter language in reply would be an uncalled for escalation. Except it didn't happen, so you are over-reacting to something that never even happened. That's pretty pathetic. But you got your payoff -- five minutes of everything being all about you. Come to think of it, that's what spammers do. Anyway, your last two posts are worse than spam. And you've derailed what was an interesting thread.

[calamus]

Actually, nobody's derailed this thread. When I go out for a walk and there's a steaming pile of stinky stuff on the sidewalk, I just walk around it. Problem solved.

So then, I've discovered that even though Iroful really brings out bright colors, when I use Parker Quink Black, which I find to be a rich, deep, "bright" black on regular paper, when I use it on Iroful, it comes out looking like a dull dark gray. Has anyone else noticed this with Quink or any other black?

[LizEF]

So then, I've discovered that even though Iroful really brings out bright colors, when I use Parker Quink Black, which I find to be a rich, deep, "bright" black on regular paper, when I use it on Iroful, it comes out looking like a dull dark gray. Has anyone else noticed this with Quink or any other black?

Unfortunately, I don't have Quink Black to test it. Others have noted that some reds will lean brown on Iroful, and we all know that there are inks specifically designed to look different on different papers (I think Sailor first came up with them). So it wouldn't be surprising to learn that Quink Black behaved differently on Iroful than on some other paper.

Related to that, back when I was having baffling dry time problems (extreme differences between the time in test vs the time during the review), one of the FPN scientists (InesF) decided to look into it and after controlled experiments determined that the most probable explanation is that "dry time" is actually a chemical reaction between the specific ink and the sizing on the specific paper. This and reports of different results on the front and back of Rhodia dot pads led to the explanation of what I saw - the "dry time" on the back is almost always longer than the "dry time" on the front.

All that is to say that chemical reactions between a specific ink and the sizing of a specific paper is a real thing that impacts our hobby, sometimes unpredictably.

HTH.

[~JJ]

NOBODY accused you of being a spammer. And even if they had, using gutter language in reply would be an uncalled for escalation. Except it didn't happen, so you are over-reacting to something that never even happened. That's pretty pathetic. But you got your payoff -- five minutes of everything being all about you. Come to think of it, that's what spammers do. Anyway, your last two posts are worse than spam. And you've derailed what was an interesting thread.

You're 100% correct - he DIDN'T call me a spammer. Show me where I said he did. You can't, because I didn't.
As far as "never happened"...you're assuming things you don't know. He DID lambast someone ELSE as a spammer, in another thread, elsewhere. That someone had just answered another's question about pens or ink or paper, I don't remember, but it was a straightforward, helpful and correct (in my opinion) answer. And along comes Mr. High'n Mighty and blasts the guy. I had just seen it recently prior to his somewhat haughty response to me here, and I, by perhaps less than gentlemanly terms, advised him to back off.

Now, I don't intend, nor wish to derail this thread. But I'm responding here because here is where you chose to jump in, for all who saw that to see. The 'matter' was between Chrissy and me, and let's leave it at that. He's gonna ignore me so he's happy, and just between us girls, I beat him to the punch on that one too.
And that's the last I'll have to say about it. If anyone's got any questions, my PM box is open.
Paper on.

[Sailor Kenshin]

This video isn't the most extreme case but it's a good test of how different paper can make inks look.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EgveujAwdRc

...just like me to lose the best example....and to forget how to embed the actual video.

Found it but still can't embed. This is an ink I actually have and use, and the paper makes a world of difference. It's lonnnggg. Skip to almost the end to see the completed tests.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b_R4iwGqdwI