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    Default Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Hi, I am looking for a new black ink to use with my fountain pen writing. I have been using Noodler's Bullet Proof black. I think it has be okay, but I it may have caused some problems. At any rate, it is getting very low. So I am looking for a new black ink. I want an ink that is truly black, well behaved and permanent. Any recommendations? In case you wondering what I am writing, and if it might a make difference in recommendation, you can read about what I am writing here: https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread.php/41511-Hello!

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    I have combined my hobby and my religion. I am in the process of writing out the Bible(KJV version) using my fountain pens. This may seem strange, but it is an interesting way to experience the scriptures. It also gives one an appreciation for all the work that had to be done to make a copy of the Bible before we had the printing press. I started out writing out the Christmas story out of Luke and then I just continued writing out the rest of Luke. I then then on to Acts. I have already finished Luke, Acts, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and am working on Numbers. I usually write 5 verses in the morning and 5 at night before bed, so this going to go on for a while.

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Take a look at Montblanc permanent black.

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    You can try using Platinum Carbon Black or Sailor Kiwa Guru. Theses and what follows are pigment inks:
    My go, for sketching is The former. You can also try them buying the Cartridges for your platinum.
    If you want an ultra black ink, there's the very muted hyped Platinum Chou Kuro, though I recommend you reading this thread on FPN:
    https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/f...r-recommended/
    There's Octopus Write and Draw Elephant Black, which is a very nice ink.
    Then there are the De Atrementis Archival Black and Document Black. I haven't tried them so I can't tell you much about.
    You have obviously have Noodler's Black, Polar Black, Heart of Darkness, X-feather. You can check my review of Polar Black.
    Finally you can use Iron Gall, Blue Blacks, Essri, Diamine Registrars, or Buroservice Bergmann's Blue Black....

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    Sailor Kiwa-guro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post
    Take a look at Montblanc permanent black.
    That is a consideration, but an expensive one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    You can try using Platinum Carbon Black or Sailor Kiwa Guru. Theses and what follows are pigment inks:
    My go, for sketching is The former. You can also try them buying the Cartridges for your platinum.
    If you want an ultra black ink, there's the very muted hyped Platinum Chou Kuro, though I recommend you reading this thread on FPN:
    https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/f...r-recommended/
    There's Octopus Write and Draw Elephant Black, which is a very nice ink.
    Then there are the De Atrementis Archival Black and Document Black. I haven't tried them so I can't tell you much about.
    You have obviously have Noodler's Black, Polar Black, Heart of Darkness, X-feather. You can check my review of Polar Black.
    Finally you can use Iron Gall, Blue Blacks, Essri, Diamine Registrars, or Buroservice Bergmann's Blue Black....
    I am not just looking for ink to use in my platinum procyon. I also want to use it in my other pens. They are so far lamy safari, pilot metropolitan, a pilot explorer, a pilot prera, twsbi eco, conklin duragraph, platinum procyon, and a cross solo(or solo classic or possibly radiance and I still need to get a converter for it)

    You mentioned Iron Gall, I didn't think Iron Gall was for fountain pens. I thought that kind of ink was more for dip pens and quills.

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Pelikan Black, Monteverde Onyx. Both relatively inexpensive and well-behaved. Pelikan is dry, Monteverde pretty lubricated.
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    You can try using Platinum Carbon Black or Sailor Kiwa Guru. Theses and what follows are pigment inks:
    My go, for sketching is The former. You can also try them buying the Cartridges for your platinum.
    If you want an ultra black ink, there's the very muted hyped Platinum Chou Kuro, though I recommend you reading this thread on FPN:
    https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/f...r-recommended/
    There's Octopus Write and Draw Elephant Black, which is a very nice ink.
    Then there are the De Atrementis Archival Black and Document Black. I haven't tried them so I can't tell you much about.
    You have obviously have Noodler's Black, Polar Black, Heart of Darkness, X-feather. You can check my review of Polar Black.
    Finally you can use Iron Gall, Blue Blacks, Essri, Diamine Registrars, or Buroservice Bergmann's Blue Black....
    I am not just looking for ink to use in my platinum procyon. I also want to use it in my other pens. They are so far lamy safari, pilot metropolitan, a pilot explorer, a pilot prera, twsbi eco, conklin duragraph, platinum procyon, and a cross solo(or solo classic or possibly radiance and I still need to get a converter for it)

    You mentioned Iron Gall, I didn't think Iron Gall was for fountain pens. I thought that kind of ink was more for dip pens and quills.
    Platinum Carbon Black in cartridges is cheaper. It was for you to test, before committing to the bottle.
    Yes there are several brands of IG inks for fountain pens:
    Essri can be bought here only: Ideally you need to transfer the ink into bottles. It's a dryish ink and is suitable for cheap paper.
    http://www.registrarsink.co.uk
    Diamine Registrars is much drier.

    The most appropriate would be the Bible Iron Gall ink but the shipping is cost prohibitive to the US:
    https://www.gutenberg-shop.de/en/Bible-ink/

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    I don't know Iron Gall sounds risky. Maybe they might work in some fountain pens, but I would prefer something that is known to be well behaved.

    That Bible Iron Gall ink sounds intriguing, but the cost to ship would probably be more than I would want to pay. But maybe someday . . .

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Modern IG inks or assimilated (Platinum blue-black) are well behaved and not troublesome.
    I particularly recommend the Platinum blue-black that seems to be a very stable ink, except maybe that it stays bluer than most.
    If you want black(ish), I can also recommend the Röhrer and Klingner Ebony, but that's a special edition for 2023. Scabiosa is pretty too

    In the list of pigmented inks I'll add the Koh-I-Noor document blue and black, I particularly like the blue one, and it's cheap (eBay).

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    Fair enough. Because the OP's requirement is "I want an ink that is truly black, well behaved and permanent" I first ruled out everything that wasn't black and merely considered IG inks as less well behaved than non IG inks.
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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    You are right and I went off topic sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium466 View Post
    You are right and I went off topic sorry.
    no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium466 View Post
    You are right and I went off topic sorry.
    No problem at all. Everyone does. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium466 View Post
    You are right and I went off topic sorry.
    No problem at all. Everyone does. LOL
    This is true. I am as guilty of doing so as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
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    You are right and I went off topic sorry.
    No problem at all. Everyone does. LOL
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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Namiki Black is a good choice. I've always found it to be quite well-behaved.

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    Default Re: Well behaved permaent black ink?

    Namiki / Pilot black is less well behaved and likes to feather a bit on cheaper papers. But it flows and lubricates well, and is quite water resistant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium466 View Post
    Namiki / Pilot black is less well behaved and likes to feather a bit on cheaper papers. But it flows and lubricates well, and is quite water resistant.
    I use it to make dry writers write.
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium466 View Post
    Namiki / Pilot black is less well behaved and likes to feather a bit on cheaper papers. But it flows and lubricates well, and is quite water resistant.
    Unless they change the formulation, the black wasn't that water resistant. The blue and the blueblack were quite water resistant but were weakened easily by UV light.

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