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    Default Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Ok, I got my Pilot Prera Iro-Ai apart and have thoroughly cleaned out it's nib section and it's supplied cartridge, which are now drying. ~But a question here: Is there a device, or what do folks use, to hold the empty cartridge upright and steady while refilling it using a syringe loaded with bottled ink? My hands are not steady (or big?) enough to complete this process unaided...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    Ok, I got my Pilot Prera Iro-Ai apart and have thoroughly cleaned out it's nib section and it's supplied cartridge, which are now drying. ~But a question here: Is there a device, or what do folks use, to hold the empty cartridge upright and steady while refilling it using a syringe loaded with bottled ink? My hands are not steady (or big?) enough to complete this process unaided...
    All info and suggestions here greatly appreciated,
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    Well, I found my own answer... Yas! ~A perfect little square crystal glass single pen holder... Might need to pad it's insides a little to snug up a cartridge, but then it sh be just what I'm looking for. ~About $15 at Amazon. A smaller ink syringe might've helped also, but I like this idea better.

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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Maybe use a converter. Jet Pens sells a Pilot Con-40 as an addition to the Prera. It is about $7.50. If the Con-40 fits, a converter beats refilling a cartridge.

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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Maybe use a converter. Jet Pens sells a Pilot Con-40 as an addition to the Prera. It is about $7.50. If the Con-40 fits, a converter beats refilling a cartridge.
    CON-40 works as well as a CON-40 can work. I use them in all three of my Preras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    If the Con-40 fits, a converter beats refilling a cartridge.
    That's a subjective statement. To begin with, no converter holds as much ink as a cartridge, unless it is a badly designed cartridge. While I may use converters in the majority of my pens, I almost always used refilled carts in my vintage Sheaffer pens, and I've manufactured ink tanks - essentially, even larger cartridges - for pens that have the capacity in he barrel and I want a larger fill of ink. Using a syringe and bottled ink, I can have more ink in a pen than a with a converter, and with less messiness. To each their own.
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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    I can dip a nib and suck up an ink refill into a converter before you can even get your syringe and cartridge out. And while you're busy cleaning your syringe my nib is putting ink on paper. That, for me, outweighs any small deficiency in fill quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliant Bill View Post
    I can dip a nib and suck up an ink refill into a converter before you can even get your syringe and cartridge out. And while you're busy cleaning your syringe my nib is putting ink on paper. That, for me, outweighs any small deficiency in fill quantity.
    And you ignored wiping off the section and nib of that excess ink, the repeated times you have to do this because of a minimal amount of ink, and you don't realize how little time the other takes when all of the tools are right at hand. The amount of time difference is inconsequential to me when I have zero mess, a non-flooded feed, and a 100% full pen. Another YMMV moment, so you do you, and I'll do me.
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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Probably just as easy to pop in a fresh cartridge. Saves the most time because you don't have to move any goal posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Probably just as easy to pop in a fresh cartridge. Saves the most time because you don't have to move any goal posts.
    ... if you are satisfied with the much more limited array of inks that are available in cartridge. Many people aren't. OTOH, refilling empty carts and sealing with a drop from a hot glue gun gives the best of both worlds.
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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    In a pinch, you could fill a shot glass with rice and stick the cartridge in at whatever angle you're comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliant Bill View Post
    I can dip a nib and suck up an ink refill into a converter before you can even get your syringe and cartridge out. And while you're busy cleaning your syringe my nib is putting ink on paper. That, for me, outweighs any small deficiency in fill quantity.
    Life in the fast lane? Nah! ~Not me! Like some of us I enjoy fussin' with my FP gear... Taking my time, putting more ink in my cleaned out recycled cartridge than any convertors could possibly hold, and using inks called Vermillion or Brown Sugar just for the pleasures of the color and their names! ":>}) ~My FP usage is a slow moving, contemplating, meditative hobby that I find relaxing and pleasurable... To add the pressures of a time clock to it would be counter to why I do it, to say the least! -Hey, if you need speedy writing, why not just use a roller ball pen then?
    Also one doesn't have to seal a recycled cartridge if you're gonna put it right back inna pen right away. ~And cleaning out an ink syringe isn't difficult at all... -All you need do is suck some water in and squirt some water out a few times, and the deed is done... ~It would probably take longer to clean a convertor if you wanted to use different ink colors, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexwi View Post
    In a pinch, you could fill a shot glass with rice and stick the cartridge in at whatever angle you're comfortable with.

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    That's close to my method, but I don't add rice, 'cause I'm a ledge-walker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Maybe use a converter. Jet Pens sells a Pilot Con-40 as an addition to the Prera. It is about $7.50. If the Con-40 fits, a converter beats refilling a cartridge.
    No. ~For me it doesn't... And I have more than enough Con-40 convertors rolling around in my desk drawer as Pilot usually includes a Con-40 and a cartridge with every new Pilot pen. I really like Pilot's pens, but just don't like their convertor's small capacity, the difficulty of filling one up completely, and the messiness of doing it while they're still in the pen. ~True, one does have to clean out a cartridge before recycling it (and a syringe is also good for doing this), but then after that I find that using bottled ink and a filling syringe is quick enough, and easy, and a much less messy procedure... (And besides, recycling is also a good thing too, right? ":>}) ~Plus, maybe I'm strange, but for me acquiring and trying different kinds of bottled inks and their colors is an enjoyable part of my FP hobby...
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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alexwi View Post
    In a pinch, you could fill a shot glass with rice and stick the cartridge in at whatever angle you're comfortable with.

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    That's close to my method, but I don't add rice, 'cause I'm a ledge-walker.
    Ah, one who enjoys risk-taking!

    Competitive cartridge filling ought to be a pen show event. Especially to get kids excited about what my daughter would likely call a parade of nerds. I'm sure parents would love that ;-)

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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    Different strokes...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliant Bill View Post
    Different strokes...

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    It's funny that you didn't embrace this aesthetic/philosophy before making your previous comment. In the best of outcomes, we all make our own experiences and choices - you supported expediency while I enjoyed the extra moments. Ultimately, our pens are filled to some necessary degree, and we enjoy writing with them. Not much else matters.
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    Default Re: Need advice re refilling a cartridge...

    First reason to use the converter is that refilling amounts to a flush. I did that every day in the early 1960s, refilling my Parker 45, before school, with Sheaffer Washable Black and Blue-Black. So that is about six years without needing to take the pen apart, or even thinking it might be necessary.

    Further, refilling a Parker converter every morning gave me enough ink to last the entire school day. Of course, the earliest Parker "squeeze" converter probably holds more ink that a Pilot converter, but you can follow my example: being cautious, I always carried a converter or two just in case I ran out of ink. And I carried a Parker T-Ball jotter.

    Fifteen or twenty years ago, when I spent my time writing words rather than source code, I always carried another fountain pen or two, and had a pen on my desk. Of course, that encouraged me to accumulate about two dozen P-51s, plus nearly a dozen P-61s and Esties, and odds and ends from other pen makers. (So maybe it is time to get rid of a few to new fountain pen fans?)

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    Now if you had a Wearever 'school' pen, we'd be cooking with evil gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Now if you had a Wearever 'school' pen, we'd be cooking with evil gas.

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    I had one of these as a school pen back in the '50s. Cartridge filler. $1 and no cartridges, and it was a piece of %#@!!*%! that skipped, had hard starts, would suddenly stop and not start back up, and otherwise made my life miserable. It poisoned me against fountain pens for, oh, I don't know... 40 years?
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