Harris 2024 thread

[dneal]

Assuming she has indeed secured the nomination (which appears to be the case), here's the corresponding thread to the Trump 2024 thread.

My first question is: What is her platform? All I see on her website is donation stuff.

https://kamalaharris.com

Trump has a platform page, with link to a .pdf (I'll post it on his thread).

[Chuck Naill]

Maybe the platform is character. She is offering us a choice for who might be better suited for the diversity of American voters. I have found that a person of character might not always know the right thing to do or even do the right thing the right way, but their insides are such that they want to and they have the capacity to change.

[TSherbs]

The DNP platform page has the last platform (from2020) and makes clear when the next platform will be written and ratified: at the convention

[dneal]

Is that also when they'll nominate their candidate who won their primaries?

[dneal]

From CNN: Trump's campaign cranked up pressure on Harris to do a major media interview, hoping to goad her into a forum in which she's historically been more vulnerable than when delivering scripted speeches..

LINK

CNN admitting Kamala is vulnerable when she doesn't have a script is probably not what the Harris campaign wants.

Also, there is growing evidence that images of these crowds she is reportedly drawing, are fake.

[Warbler]

Is that also when they'll nominate their candidate who won their primaries?

The guy who won the primaries dropped out. What do you want them to do? have no candidate?

[Warbler]

From CNN: Trump's campaign cranked up pressure on Harris to do a major media interview, hoping to goad her into a forum in which she's historically been more vulnerable than when delivering scripted speeches..

LINK

CNN admitting Kamala is vulnerable when she doesn't have a script is probably not what the Harris campaign wants.

Harris doesn't seem to have a problem with debating Trump, that wouldn't have script, would it?

[ZZTOP]

The Harris platform is put simply, to see what can be, unburdoned by what has been, and laughing about coconuts



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/br6EHiAWJ_M

[kazoolaw]

While California AG, Harris launched an investigation which allegedly delayed the release of recordings of Planned Parenthood discussing harvesting and selling baby parts:
https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-new...thood-scandal/

Walz supported and signed a Minnesota abortion law without restrictions, allowing abortion up until birth.

[dneal]

Is that also when they'll nominate their candidate who won their primaries?

The guy who won the primaries dropped out. What do you want them to do? have no candidate?

It's called an "open convention", where delegates vote on various candidates. Instead, the Democrat Party just "anointed" one.

Not very democratic, but at least they were transparent this time instead of rigging with superdelegates and pretending.

From CNN: Trump's campaign cranked up pressure on Harris to do a major media interview, hoping to goad her into a forum in which she's historically been more vulnerable than when delivering scripted speeches..

LINK

CNN admitting Kamala is vulnerable when she doesn't have a script is probably not what the Harris campaign wants.

Harris doesn't seem to have a problem with debating Trump, that wouldn't have script, would it?

CNN seems to think so - hence the link and comment. I would hope she wouldn't have a script, but wouldn't be surprised if they worked in an earpiece if they could get away with it.

[Warbler]

Is that also when they'll nominate their candidate who won their primaries?

The guy who won the primaries dropped out. What do you want them to do? have no candidate?

It's called an "open convention", where delegates vote on various candidates. Instead, the Democrat Party just "anointed" one.

What difference does it make? The delegates still nominated her.

Not very democratic

When was the last a convention was democratic?

From CNN: Trump's campaign cranked up pressure on Harris to do a major media interview, hoping to goad her into a forum in which she's historically been more vulnerable than when delivering scripted speeches..

LINK

CNN admitting Kamala is vulnerable when she doesn't have a script is probably not what the Harris campaign wants.

Harris doesn't seem to have a problem with debating Trump, that wouldn't have script, would it?

CNN seems to think so - hence the link and comment. I would hope she wouldn't have a script, but wouldn't be surprised if they worked in an earpiece if they could get away with it.

1. Just how would they do that? Wouldn’t ABC have to be “in on it”? They would need the questions in advanced to come up with a scrip, wouldn’t they?
2. If they could rig a debate like that, why couldn’t they rig a “major media interview”?

[ZZTOP]

How was Harris nominated before the convention?

Answer, she wasn't, not legally anyway

[dneal]

When was the last a convention was democratic?

You tell me. It's the Democrat party. There's very little that's Democratic about it.

What difference does it make? The delegates still nominated her.

How many names were on the revised ballot that the delegates could choose from? Can you list them?

Why did this selection of Harris happen over a private Zoom meeting?

Do you even understand how an open convention works?

[Warbler]

You tell me. It's the Democrat party.

Democratic party.

There's very little that's Democratic about it.

Neither convention is ever all that democratic.

Biden won the nomination, he dropped out and endorsed Harris. She got support from all the major players in the party. The delegates nominated her.

What difference does it make? The delegates still nominated her.

How many names were on the revised ballot that the delegates could choose from? Can you list them?

I don't know, but I am willing to bet there was only one name, Harris.

Why did this selection of Harris happen over a private Zoom meeting?

Not sure, it may have to do with getting the nomination done in time for certain states' deadlines.

Do you even understand how an open convention works?

not really. I am sure it involves the delegates being free to vote for whoever they want, but there has not been an open convention in my lifetime. I am not sure why it is such a big deal that this one isn't either. Oh, I know, its because it gives the Republicans a talking point to use against her candidacy.

[dneal]

Democratic party.

No. Democrat party. There's nothing that's democratic about it.

Let me make it simple for you.

In an open convention, candidates are put forward and delegates from each state vote in as many rounds as it takes for someone to win.

Democrats have superdelegates, which can easily sway the nomination. That's how Hillary beat Bernie. Not very democratic when party bigwigs can override the will of the people (Democrat primary voters).

In this specific case, the party initially refused to even have a primary (likely because RFK would have won the nomination). They refused to hold primary debates. Two challengers did emerge (RFK and Marianne Williamson would make 4, but they quit the race because there would be no debates, and chose to run as independents). Neither had any national recognition (Dean Phillips more than Jason Palmer).

Joe won the primary. He dropped out. At that point, there was no Democrat primary winner (Phillips and Palmer previously dropped out).

Party elites got together and selected Harris, behind closed doors. Delegates "chose" Harris in a private Zoom call.

You might argue that they selected her when Joe won the nomination, but that is not correct. He was free to choose a different VP running mate.

No Democrat primary voter cast a vote for Harris to be their nominee. Nothing about this process was Democratic.

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[Warbler]

Democratic party.

No. Democrat party. There's nothing that's democratic about it.

This isn't a description, it is the name of the party. It is the Democratic Party, not Democrat Party. That is fact, not opinion. Hate the party as much as you like. The name of the party is still the Democratic Party.

Let me make it simple for you.

In an open convention, candidates are put forward and delegates from each state vote in as many rounds as it takes for someone to win.

nice, but it hasn't happened in either party's convention probably since before I was born.

Democrats have superdelegates, which can easily sway the nomination. That's how Hillary beat Bernie. Not very democratic when party bigwigs can override the will of the people (Democrat primary voters).

True. I am no fan of superdelegates, then again, if the Republican Party had superdelegates, maybe it would have prevented Trump from getting the nomination in 2016 and all the insanity has since occurred.

In this specific case, the party initially refused to even have a primary (likely because RFK would have won the nomination). They refused to hold primary debates. Two challengers did emerge (RFK and Marianne Williamson would make 4, but they quit the race because there would be no debates, and chose to run as independents). Neither had any national recognition (Dean Phillips more than Jason Palmer).

What are you talking about? The Democratic Party did hold primaries. True, they were jut a formality and Biden won, but they did happen. The overwhelming majority of the time with both parties, with incumbents, the primaries are just a formality

Joe won the primary. He dropped out. At that point, there was no Democrat primary winner (Phillips and Palmer previously dropped out).

Yep and the Biden endorsed Harris and so did many other and finally the delegates nominated her.

You know you might remember other parties don't even hold primaries to select their nominee. I don't remember the Green Party or the Libertarian Party hold primaries, or open conventions for that matter.

Party elites got together and selected Harris, behind closed doors. Delegates "chose" Harris in a private Zoom call.

After she won many major endorsements openly, including Biden's. It was clear she was the nominee way before the zoom call.

You might argue that they selected her when Joe won the nomination, but that is not correct. He was free to choose a different VP running mate.

True, but there was never any indication that he was going to choose another vp, his endorsement of Harris make pretty much clear that he would have chosen her again as his running mate, if he hadn't dropped out.

No Democrat primary voter cast a vote for Harris to be their nominee. Nothing about this process was Democratic.

and yet very few, if any, Democratic primary voters seem to be all that upset with what happened. In fact most of the party is must more enthused with Harris then they are with Biden. Yet you are upset, why? hmmmmm . . .

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She got the required number of delegates. Biden, the guy what won the primaries endorsed her. As far as I know, no party rules were broken. You are just fishing for talking points to use against her. She is the nominee.

[dneal]

I’m sorry the education system and your media did that to you.

[Warbler]

I’m sorry the education system and your media did that to you.

Insulting my education and accusing the media of brainwashing me. You take the easy way out. How about you tell me what, if anything i got wrong above? Come on, educate me.

[dneal]

You regularly miss the point or ignore it, through poor reading comprehension or being intentionally obtuse.

You avoid answering legitimate questions that disprove your narratives, usually through posing different irrelevant questions.

You regularly ask questions about basic civics, and profess ignorance when simple facts are presented.

You actively refuse to inform yourself in basic ways when even little effort is required.

You parse and misrepresent posts to change the clear meaning, and disingenuously “rebut” with partisan rhetoric.

I gave you an accurate account of Harris securing the nomination, pointed out the patently undemocratic process, and you weaseled out with some rhetorical deflection of whether or not voters were happy with it? You attempted to deflect and dismiss it by characterizing it as talking points? Pitiful, and indicative of a shortcoming of information or integrity.

I’ll give you another chance. Describe how Harris’ nomination exemplifies the traditional democratic process, where the will of the people is respected and represented. You haven’t demonstrated an ability to pose a rational argument yet, nor defend one. So now is your opportunity. Can you do it? Or will you dodge and deflect?

[kazoolaw]

Script? what script?

https://x.com/RedWave_Press/status/1...rself-n2177924