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    Default Re: Propaganda

    Oh my, I forgot "strawman". We can add that to Orwellian, What-About-This, and false equivalencies.

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    Default Re: Propaganda

    If you dislike any of Trump's behaviors or character traits, you have been manipulated by propaganda!

    Doncha know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    If you dislike any of Trump's behaviors or character traits, you have been manipulated by propaganda!

    Doncha know.
    Yes, yes. That’s exactly the argument.

    You join Chuck in demonstrating the thing you don’t understand.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Oh my, I forgot "strawman". We can add that to Orwellian, What-About-This, and false equivalencies.
    The funniest thing about this post is that (like the thread topic) you don’t understand any of these concepts either.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    lol! 😂 this ^

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    Hoo hoo, ha ha...
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Who says “triggering” isn’t alive and well. 🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Who says “triggering” isn’t alive and well. 🤣
    No one, because you get triggered daily.

    But to get back on topic, here’s another example of propaganda: “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.

    Hoo hoo, ha ha countdown in 3, 2, 1…
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.
    Who said this quote, and when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.
    Who said this quote, and when?
    Do your own work, lazybones.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.
    Who said this quote, and when?
    Do your own work, lazybones.
    I had searched, and found only people asserting that Biden and Fauci both said it. I could find no direct quotes from either person. Just lots of assertions, like those being made here. I admit to not being a master of Google searches, but I tried a few different ways. The quote, as made here (above) is egregiously factually incorrect, which has made me suspicious about whether the quotation is actually accurate for anyone with knowledge of how vaccines work. But maybe somebody important said this at some point. But until I see its original fact source, I am skeptical that it is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.
    Who said this quote, and when?
    Do your own work, lazybones.
    I had searched, and found only people asserting that Biden and Fauci both said it. I could find no direct quotes from either person. Just lots of assertions, like those being made here. I admit to not being a master of Google searches, but I tried a few different ways. The quote, as made here (above) is egregiously factually incorrect, which has made me suspicious about whether the quotation is actually accurate for anyone with knowledge of how vaccines work. But maybe somebody important said this at some point. But until I see its original fact source, I am skeptical that it is accurate.
    Yes, isn't it strange how hard it is to find information that no longer fits the narrative?

    Protip: Don't be pedantic about the paraphrasing of the "quote".

    Quote Originally Posted by Future post by TSherbs
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    "quote"
    Who said this quote, and when?
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    “lf you get the shot, you won’t get covid”.
    Who said this quote, and when?
    Do your own work, lazybones.
    I had searched, and found only people asserting that Biden and Fauci both said it. I could find no direct quotes from either person. Just lots of assertions, like those being made here. I admit to not being a master of Google searches, but I tried a few different ways. The quote, as made here (above) is egregiously factually incorrect, which has made me suspicious about whether the quotation is actually accurate for anyone with knowledge of how vaccines work. But maybe somebody important said this at some point. But until I see its original fact source, I am skeptical that it is accurate.
    Yes, isn't it strange how hard it is to find information that no longer fits the narrative?

    Protip: Don't be pedantic about the paraphrasing of the "quote".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal
    "quote"
    Who said this quote, and when?
    FFS, dneal.

    I have heard this a hundred times before, always as a vague smear against Fauci. I stopped replying to it or caring, because I happen to know how vaccines work in individuals and in populations. Now I see it in quotes, which I took to mean precise words. No one I watched on TV or read about ever made such a claim, but I thought that maybe I missed something because it is now in quotes. If it is meant only as a strawman argument against a claim never actually asserted, I will go on ignoring the topic.

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    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Yeah, I don't go for memes and pages from Canva, etc. That is not an original source (nor do I ever provide them here). I tried just the first Fauci quote, and just as before, I got no original hits: I cannot find where he ever said this. There are plenty of random (not news) people saying that he did, but they ascribe no original sources. It appears to be all just made up or some summary, put into quotes, of words other than those he actually used.

    I'm not going to bother with the others. My skepticism remains.
    Last edited by TSherbs; September 1st, 2024 at 02:13 PM.

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    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Thanks, so Fauci remains clean.

    Walensky was wrong in those statements, obviously.

    Biden was also wrong in those statements.

    I am trusting those quotations, although I have not looked them up myself (disclaimer).

    I don't care about Maddow etc al. I assume that they are not always correct about science, and other matters.

    I do expect a president, a director of NIAID, and the head of CDC to be correct about the basic operational efficacy of how vaccines work. I won't make excuses for them, except to say that in the case of Fauci--who I did pay some attention to--are described vaccine efficacy accurately many other times. But he should not slip up and make false promises even once. Not sure that he did, but maybe he did at some point.

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    Fauci does not remain clean.

    https://x.com/i/status/1823673101470617841

    Do your own work, lazybones.
    Last edited by dneal; September 1st, 2024 at 02:35 PM.
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    If you look back through the Covid thread, I am fairly certain that you will find that I never made a claim about any guarantees of vaccine protection, nor about contagiousness, etc. I am no expert, but I understand how vaccines work and I already know that various vaccines have varying levels of efficacy in a population and various levels of risk to individuals.

    I don't consider it propaganda to have initiated a vaccine effort (Trump) for the nation nor to launch a campaign to persuade the population (mostly Biden) to use the vaccine. If we have another pandemic and a vaccine to help curb it (or its symptoms) can be produced, I am likely to support those efforts. One can be supportive of the effort without making absolute claims (false) about the efficacy of a new vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Fauci does not remain clean.

    https://x.com/i/status/1823673101470617841

    Do your own work, lazybones.
    What do you actually make of these statements? The X post has only a clown emoji as commentary. Do you care to comment anything more about what you think that these three quotes demonstrate?

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