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    The key aspect to remember about the Abrahamic Covenant, is that it is an unconditional covenant. God will perform it. The terms in the covenant to fulfill, all depend on God. Not Abraham. In other words, Abraham's or any others failures, will not alter the fulfilling of the covenant. That God would establish His covenant with Abraham was dependent upon Abraham leaving Ur. (Gen. 12:1-3) But once Abraham left Ur and went to the land, the covenant was established and the fulfilling of the promises within that covenant were unconditional.

    Abram failed in unbelief when he tried to offer his servant Eliezer of Damascus as the one to fulfill God promise of Abram's seed in inheriting the land and the blessings. He doubted because he was childless. (Gen. 15:2-3) God reprimanded him. (Gen. 15:4-5) And Abram then believed God concerning this. And for this faith, God counted him righteous. (Gen. 15:6) "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." This is the only righteousness that avails with God in the individual that will result in eternal life. It is a 'righteousness' counted to you resulting from your faith in Christ. Or in Abram's case, faith in the promised Seed, who would be Christ. It's not a righteousness that you have 'earned'. Or that you have learned in being a good follower. It's not even your righteousness. It is righteousness that is accounted to you. Just like God did with Noah. (Gen. 7:1) "And the LORD said unto Noah, ....for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation." God saw Noah as 'righteous', but Noah on his own was not righteous. (Gen. 6:8) "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD." Who needs grace? Sinners. And Noah needed grace. And because he believed, he found it.

    Now, was Abraham a believer when God called him to leave Ur and go to another land. Of Course he was. But the righteousness that availed to his eternal life was not counted to him until he placed faith in the promised Seed to come, Christ. Just as it is with any today who place faith in Christ. (Rom. 4:13) "For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. (Rom. 4:23-24) "And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;"

    Imputed righteousness, counted righteousness, reckoned righteousness, is the only righteousness that results in eternal life. It is the only righteousness God sees in the believer. It is the only righteousness that gets one into the Kingdom of God. It is only obtained by faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not obtained through learning. It is not obtained by being a good man or keeping the law. All that reveals is man's righteousness. And to God, man's righteousness worthless.

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    The Fruit of Light/ Ephesians 5

    Verse 9: Be not ye therefore partakers with them.For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light. (For the fruit of the Light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
    Light (phos) light in terms of what it reveals; we see what it is by what light provides
    Goodness (agatheosune) an intrinsic kindness, a person whose kindness is who just who they are
    Righteousness (dikiosune) being fair and just
    Truth (aletheia) what is real where nothing is concealed
    Verse 15: Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men, but as wise, making the most of your time because the days are evil. Other translations read, “redeeming the time for the days are evil” Redeeming (apolytrōsis ) means to buy back, get back which was lost. Or as Joel 2:25 reads, “ And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.”
    Verse 20: Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
    This spoke to me this morning. As a student of Jesus walking in the Kingdom I am in the Light. My life can take on the quality of having and knowing what is real or unconcealed. I am in the community of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that is just and fair. I become the sort of person where kindness is just who I am.
    How do I stay here? I redeem the time and God gives me back the time I lost doing other things or what the locust ate (things out of my control)
    In all things, whatever happens. Whatever path I must walk, I am able to be thankful. Even if I have to walk through death valley I will not be afraid. Why; because he is with me.

    This is an example of living in the Kingdom now, today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lees View Post
    Because we are talking about the 'Kingdom of God', then Who gets to say what the Kingdom of God is? God does. And how do we expect to understand the 'Kingdom of God' if God does not reveal it to us?

    Our understanding of the 'Kingdom of God' must come from God. And He has revealed it in His Word the Bible. If the Bible is not the Word of God, then it has no authority to reveal the 'Kingdom of God'.

    Who is Ruler in the Kingdom of God? God.

    I don't mind anyone's participation in this as long as you acknowledge, 'according to the Bible'. If you don't know the Bible, or believe the Bible is the Word of God, probably best for you to stay away.

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    Lees... I am new to forums and recently began seeking fellowship with other humans about these topics. I have produced Chapbooks that chronical my journey from hindsight 2020 to today. I would like someone like you seem to be, with your Faith being Transparent, and potential for considering a different angle that is a genuine and sincere result of living 50 years under the influence or rule of deception. For instance... I am researching a curious thought I have had about Procreation Unions or Factions and the Scripture about God being Love and of Love. As if the idea of Procreation Unions is a different sort of Love than what God was formed of or that God was formed of this sort of procreation partnership that formed between humans on this planet. For the Love of the flesh and security and future life on the planet through the lineages they formed. The difference between Religious unity and secularism. Marry and procreate within the church or out in the wild with the heathens.

    I have a link to a short sample of my next book in production and an ad for my latest book. If you would like to read the latest book i can send a link to the transcript.

    Click Here for link to WIP & AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by agtarpley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lees View Post
    Because we are talking about the 'Kingdom of God', then Who gets to say what the Kingdom of God is? God does. And how do we expect to understand the 'Kingdom of God' if God does not reveal it to us?

    Our understanding of the 'Kingdom of God' must come from God. And He has revealed it in His Word the Bible. If the Bible is not the Word of God, then it has no authority to reveal the 'Kingdom of God'.

    Who is Ruler in the Kingdom of God? God.

    I don't mind anyone's participation in this as long as you acknowledge, 'according to the Bible'. If you don't know the Bible, or believe the Bible is the Word of God, probably best for you to stay away.

    Lees
    Lees... I am new to forums and recently began seeking fellowship with other humans about these topics. I have produced Chapbooks that chronical my journey from hindsight 2020 to today. I would like someone like you seem to be, with your Faith being Transparent, and potential for considering a different angle that is a genuine and sincere result of living 50 years under the influence or rule of deception. For instance... I am researching a curious thought I have had about Procreation Unions or Factions and the Scripture about God being Love and of Love. As if the idea of Procreation Unions is a different sort of Love than what God was formed of or that God was formed of this sort of procreation partnership that formed between humans on this planet. For the Love of the flesh and security and future life on the planet through the lineages they formed. The difference between Religious unity and secularism. Marry and procreate within the church or out in the wild with the heathens.

    I have a link to a short sample of my next book in production and an ad for my latest book. If you would like to read the latest book i can send a link to the transcript.

    Click Here for link to WIP & AD
    Are you really?

    Fellowship?

    This topic is about the 'Kingdom of God'. I suggest you start another topic for your research.

    If you have any thing to offer concerning the Kingdom of God...say on.

    Sorry, I am not interested in 'links' or your 'latest book'.

    Perhaps you and Chuck can get together and fellowship.

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    Curious nature... thank you for the reply.
    "It is a lie that our Creator produced enmity on the Earth. IMO... We should start there with corrections, together. Resolve the religious social wars that fuel the eternal flame."

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    Quote Originally Posted by agtarpley View Post
    Curious nature... thank you for the reply.
    You're quite welcome.

    Create a topic, a new thread, of your interest, and I will respond.

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    We might consider how we are God's Instruments... especially with the diverse nature of religion's denominational beliefs. Are we spiritual beings comprised of Intelligence and Emotions? Are we stubborn, stiff-necked, foolish and wicked? Are we All born of Creation and some within the Kingdom of God if you are born into the subsect value that has formed as a Fig Tree... and a Vine? Both are born of the Spirit of knowledge of God, behind the faith in action.
    "It is a lie that our Creator produced enmity on the Earth. IMO... We should start there with corrections, together. Resolve the religious social wars that fuel the eternal flame."

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    continued from post #(21)

    Once the Abrahamic Covenant was established, any and all covenants after that, grow out of, and are a product of, the Abrahamic Covenant. And they will always address the land, the Seed, and the blessing. (Gen. 12;1-3)

    In other words, the people of the seed, the people of the blessing, will be found in that 'land'. Just as the King of the kingdom, will be found in that land. Just as God will be found in that land. (Ps. 132:13-14) For the LORD hath chosen Zion, he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever; here will I dwell for I have desired it."

    God has chosen Zion. And that offends people. Why?

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    Not sure it actually does... offend everyone. Until we start bullying for them to be reverent about it. Might be because God, representing our Ideal version of a Creator, produced enmity into the world.... or Zion. It's a matter of opinion and not verifiable... or.... verily, verily.... sort of info. IMO. Please advise... I am trying also to get to bottom of your expressed question and concern. Why are God's people... a mix of offended and offending?
    "It is a lie that our Creator produced enmity on the Earth. IMO... We should start there with corrections, together. Resolve the religious social wars that fuel the eternal flame."

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    continued from post #(28)

    As we have seen, since the fall of Adam, God is not working with mankind in mass. Why? Because another seed line was introduced into the human race, Satan's seed. (Gen. 3:15) Thus God, in preparing His Kingdom, His will, to be exercised through man on the earth, chooses His people, and uses His people, to do so. Just as Satan is choosing and preparing his kingdom, his will, on earth through his man the anti-christ.

    So, in God 'choosing', He naturally 'rejects'. Instead of Cain, Abel is the man of God. (Gen. 4:8) "And Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. See also (Luke 11:50-51) Abel was a prophet of God. Cain was of that wicked one, Satan. (1 John 3:12) And God chose Seth to replace Abel. (Gen. 4:25-26) And from Seth, God chose Noah through whom his family would repopulate the earth. (Gen. 6:8). From Noah's three sons, God chose Shem's line from whom the Seed and blessing and the Kingdom of God on earth, would come. (Gen. 9:26) And of those in Shem's line, God chose Abram. (Gen. 12:1-2) and from his line would come those who would inherit the earth and the right to rule the Kingdom of God on earth. And from Abraham would come Isaac, whom God chose instead of Eliezer of Damascus, (Gen. 15:2), and instead of Ishmael, (Gen. 17:18-19). And Isaac would have two sons, Jacob and Esau. (Gen. 25:23-26) And God chose Jacob instead of Esau. (Rom. 9:10-13) And from Jacob would come 12 sons from whom God would build the nation Israel. (Gen. 35:22-26). (Acts 13:17) "The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.."

    So, throughout history, we see that God is directing and choosing those in whom His Kingdom rule on earth will be established and dispensed.

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    The New Testament does not distinguish between those who came to follow Jesus. The Jewish and non-Jewish followers were and are the same and according to Paul, the 'true Israel".

    There is no clear way to support a future 1000 year event that has Jesus physically in Israel ruling.

    What is clear, Jesus said he had been given all authority in heaven and on earth as he was commissioning his followers. It is clear during his three-year ministry the works of the Devil were being constrained, Satan is bound, but if after the resurrection he has a all authority, why would a future reign physically in a small area in the Middle East be significant. Plus, many see his personality as angry and vengeful upon his return. He wasn't depicted that way by NT writers. What has changed?

    I recently heard a speaker say how the LGBQ and trans community were influencing the nation's youth. What about road rage, lust and condemnation by those who would say they are Christian? What about name Evangelical porn addictions? What about sexual abuse in the Southern Baptist Church? Why single out only some and ignore the rest. But most concerning is, why focus what Hamas did and not be concerned about what Israel has done in Gaza and Lebanon? Do those people not matter because of your eschatology?

    The New Testament writers did not hold the same view as Dispensationalists do about the current physical state of Israel. Paul's challenges came from the Jews that wanted to impose Jewish rules and norms on the Greek followers of Jesus.

    One of the challenges any objective reader will experience is the way teachers will influence them to hold to views that are not clearly expressed by the scriptures. I've often wished I could see what they see. I am not opposed to Jesus ruling in Israel for 1000 years. I'd rather say I don't know than believe something that I cannot support from the writers of the NT.

    If I believe the scriptures are the word of God, I must then accept that the Kingdom of God is now within grasp for anyone and everyone. It cannot be ignored or lessened.

    When you consider what is recorded that Jesus said and did, I have to come to understand the Kingdom of God as invisible. By invisible I mean spiritual. God is invisible to the human eye. John states that no one has ever seen God expect the son. Some might conclude that what you cannot see is therefore not real. Science is not concerned or cannot evaluate something that cannot be sensed. We are left with thoughts, impressions, and imagination. Those are not strange feelings but are as concrete as smell and sight. It is not necessarily something only a few humans can experience. If there is a good example, "thinking outside the box" is an appropriate analogy.

    Just ordered Sam Stones' Kingdom Come book. He was educated at Dallas Seminary, a Dispensational seminary.
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    continued from post #(30)

    It shouldn't be hard to see, from what I have presented thus far, that God is 'shrinking' down those who will exercise God's will upon the earth. Certain men have been selected by God, who are of God, to be the ones in whom the Seed and promises of rule over the earth will be dispensed. Though God rules over all creation, (Ps. 103:19), His rule on the earth will be by man. And it will be by man whom He has appointed.

    In my last post, #(30), we saw that God chose Jacob instead of Esau, to be the one in whom the rule of the earth would be given, and in whom the Seed promises would be fulfilled. And from Jacob came 12 sons, who would be and represent the nation of Israel. Next observe (Gen. 49:8-10). "Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lions whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The sceptre, shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." (Gen. 49:1-28) is Jacob's prophetic blessing upon his 12 sons who would make up the nation of Israel. And the tribe of Judah was given the sceptre, the right and power to rule. Not just over a nation called Israel, but to the rule of God on the earth through the nation Israel, the Kingdom of God on earth. There will be many nations on earth. But to the nation Israel is given the Kingdom of God, that nation of priests. (Ex. 19:6) There are 12 tribes of Israel, but to the tribe of Judah is given the sceptre, the ruling authority. The tribe from whence will come He whose right it is. Guess Who that will be?

    (1 Sam. 16:1) "...I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons." (1 Sam. 16:12-13) "...And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he....and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward...." David was first anointed as King over Judah. (2 Sam. 2:4) Then later as the King over all Israel. (2 Sam. 5:3) And he was from the tribe of Judah, the tribe in whom the sceptre dwelt. See (Luke 3:31-33) The ruling tribe over Israel and the Kingdom of God on earth.

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    continued from post #(32)

    Any who disagree with me at this stage, do not disagree that Scripture declares what i have said it declares. They simply say, the Scripture says that, but it doesn't mean that. Which means you who want to be deceived, can believe another, who disregards what Scripture says.

    My advice, my admonition, is to believe what the Bible says. And not what deceivers try and make it say.

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    There are many paths to deception. If one is truly serious, the scriptures are easily available and readable. Anyone can decide for themselves as with a textbook or owner's manual of a vehicle.

    Jesus said that he had been given all authority in the heavens and on the Earth. I am not saying this as a fact, but what the scriptures say. The reader can decide if it is true or not.

    Jesus said, based on his authority his followers were to make apprentices, students, learners of him. Again, decide what you want to think

    He continued to teach those apprentices how to do what he said. What he said is recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

    Then Jesus said to baptize/engulf/plunge them into the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Again, you decide what to do with those words.

    Lastly, he told his followers he would be with them until the end of the age. No one falls into the Kingdom of God. We each make a decision to enter or not.

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    continued from post #(32)

    We left off with the Kingdom of God being created in the 12 sons of Jacob. And Jacob's name was changed by God to 'Israel'. (Gen. 32:28) And Israel's prophetic blessing in (Gen. 49:8-10) would result in pronouncing the future ruling tribe would be Judah. And the ruling King would be from Judah.

    All of this is from God, and is Supernatural. It is 'spiritual' and 'physical'. The earth, and man, is involved. Consider Isaac's birth, Was it not within the physical of mankind? Yet it was impossible. It was the result of God moving and providing a miraculous birth for Isaac. In other words, just because Abraham and Sarah had a son, Isaac, didn't mean that was just a physical birth. It was the result of the Spirit, the hand of God. Without which, it never would have happened. Does that remind anyone of the Virgin Birth of Christ? I hope so. Also, very physical. Born of Mary. Yet, miraculous in that it was a Virgin Birth. The hand of God moving. Both physical and spiritual. The God/Man, Jesus Christ. Spirit and Man combined. The God/Man.

    God's Kingdom rule on earth will be the same. It will be through Man, but also be through the Spirit of God. And the nation of the earth that God has chosen, has created to rule in His Kingdom, is the nation of Israel. Jacobs 12 sons. And when they went down to Egypt, (Gen. 46-47), they were first well received because of Joseph. But later new kings would arise and the Israelites became slaves. (Ex. 1:8) But in slavery Israel multiplied, even in the face of persecution. (Ex. 1:7) (Ex. 1:16-20) God was preparing the people who would make up the nation that He promised to Abraham in (Gen. 12:1-3)

    The nation, Israel, is not developed at this stage. No King at this time. They are no longer in the land, as they went down to Egypt because of the famine. But now they have the numbers of a nation. And God is ready to move them back into the land. And once again, God moves miraculously. He delivers a babe that is destined to be killed by the Egyptians. (Ex. 1:22) The mother hid the babe in a basket in the river only to be found by Pharaoh's daughter. Who in turn, not knowingly, gave it back to the mother, and paid her for nursing her own son. (Ex. 2:1-9). This deliverer would be Moses.

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    The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
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    “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

    3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

    “He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

    7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

    “He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

    8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

    9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

    13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

    16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

    Who represents those who came last? I had never considered it before, but is the non-Jewish person those that are getting in on what God is doing, the KOG, those that came without the tradition, the law, the bloodline, the covanent with Abraham the late comers?

    We enter the KOG not because of our family. "he true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

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    continued from post #(35)

    Most all know the story of Moses and how God delivered His people from Egypt and the Pharaoh. All done miraculously by God, but yet using man; the man Moses. As has been said repeatedly, this is how God's will on earth; God's Kingdom on earth will be exercised and dispensed. Through man. God could have just as easily destroyed Egypt and delivered Israel without the participation of Moses. But He didn't. It will be through man, and through a nation of man, Israel. And God has chosen both Moses and the people of Israel. (Ex. 3:10) (Deut. 7:6)

    And this deliverance of Israel from Egypt was not just about physical deliverance. It was very spiritual in nature also. It was against the god's of Egypt. (Ex. 12:12) "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD." How can this be against the god's of Egypt when God clearly says, there is no God but Him? (Is. 45:5) "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:...." Because fallen man makes idols and gods to worship and to serve. Satan is no god, but he and his demons and devils will pick up worship wherever they can. And the idols and gods man makes is the worship of demons. (1 Cor. 10:19-20) "What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God:...." In other words there is spiritual evil behind the false worship of fallen man. And Israelites had been guilty of the false worship in Egypt also. (Josh. 24:14) "Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD."

    The Kingdom of God at war with the Kingdom of Satan upon the earth. A spiritual war, but is being played out on earth in the physical realm with and through mankind.

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    Paul provides a first century perspective of Jewish and Non-Jewish believers comprising one new man as citizens of the Kingdom.

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    2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ
    11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

    14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

    From Paul's perspective, both groups comprise the called out ones or Ecclesia. This also shows that the modern State of Israel does not have a different path to God through Jesus. This view of Paul's is squarely opposed to the Dispensational theories. This also shows that the American churches support of Israel as the people of God isn't grounded in the writings of Jesus or the Apostles.

    Good reads include Sam Storm's, Kingdom Come, Wiliam Hendricksen's More than Conquerors, and Dallas Willard's Divine Conspiracy. All are available on Amazon. Some might be accessible from your local library.

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    If the Kingdom of God is his reign and rule over his people, we will understand that not all Jews submitted to this government just as in the modern Evangelical church not all of the members know about or submit to this kingship of God. There is always a remanent of those who do. Those who do, regardless of ethnicity comprise God's people. There is no automatic inclusion in the KOG because you have Jewish blood. This is not an anti-Sematic view, nut exactly what the scriptures say.

    " But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."

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    continued from post #(37)

    So, God has chosen Moses and God has chosen Israel to represent the Kingdom of God upon the earth. The Kingdom is God ruling over the earth through man, appointed by Him. God has led Israel, by Moses, through the Red Sea. And from there Moses led the people of Israel to the mount located in the Sinai. (Ex. 19:1-2) What mount would that be?

    It is the same mount where God met Moses and first revealed Himself to him, as the man chosen by God. (Ex. 3:11-12) "And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that i should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt? And he said, Certainly I will be with thee, and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain." The mount located in Sinai, Mount Sinai.

    And what is God doing with Moses and Israel at Mount Sinai? He is giving the 'laws of the Kingdom of God' on earth, which they represent. You will find that completely in (Ex. 19-31). The law was not just the 10 commandments. It was all that is given in (Ex. 19-31). Laws to govern this chosen nation of God upon earth. Because this nation will be special to God in dispensing God's will upon earth. (Ex. 19:5-6) "...then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation...."

    Did you see that? "A Kingdom of priests". God's Kingdom on earth. And it consists of a chosen land to dwell in, a chosen people to live in that land, a chosen man to lead this people, and God given laws to govern this people. My oh my. Sounds very political, doesn't it? God's Kingdom on earth where God is King and man represents Him. Is it spiritual? Of course it is, it is of God. But it is physical and earthly also.

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