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    Default Waterman ID help please

    What is this?

    Measures 110mm capped
    Cap length 50mm
    Double cap band
    Barrel imprint "Waterman's MADE IN ENGLAND" - No other helpful numbers on the barrel.
    Nib marked "Waterman's IDEAL ENGLAND"
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Looks like a Waterman from the 40's,possibly a 513.


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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Agreed. But only 110mm short, so maybe a 512v?

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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    I was going to say 354 but then I looked at mine and it only has one cap band. Other than that, it looks almost identical.
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    I thought 512v but that double cap band is the kicker.
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Quite a few thirties, forties and fifties English Waterman models have neither names nor numbers. They're often not directly comparable with the American versions made at the same time. I think Waterman did it with an eye to confusing collectors of the future.
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    Quite a few thirties, forties and fifties English Waterman models have neither names nor numbers. They're often not directly comparable with the American versions made at the same time. I think Waterman did it with an eye to confusing collectors of the future.
    Exactly! This barrel is in good condition so not worn enough for any number to have vanished. It will remain a bit of a mystery, as is the nib. Although I am pretty sure it is an original nib, it does not have the flex I associate with Watermans of the period.

    thanks all for the help.
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    2 bands would make it a 513, from around 1944-1946. On the nib does it say W2-A?. English Watermans were less flexible during that time to facilitate quicker writing. If you are looking for a slightly more flexible W2 nib, you have a higher probability of finding it in a Canadian model.

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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    Quite a few thirties, forties and fifties English Waterman models have neither names nor numbers. They're often not directly comparable with the American versions made at the same time. I think Waterman did it with an eye to confusing collectors of the future.
    That's a position I've long held as well. I suspect they had a bet on with Sheaffer as to who could cause the most sleepless nights among pen collectors fifty years later.
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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernst Bitterman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    Quite a few thirties, forties and fifties English Waterman models have neither names nor numbers. They're often not directly comparable with the American versions made at the same time. I think Waterman did it with an eye to confusing collectors of the future.
    That's a position I've long held as well. I suspect they had a bet on with Sheaffer as to who could cause the most sleepless nights among pen collectors fifty years later.
    They are not called the Waterman Confuser for nothing.

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    Default Re: Waterman ID help please

    It will be easy to identify if you add more clear pic

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