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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    $225 ebonite feed old 146 for $225? If I see that I may well just buy it...

    Probably none left at DC by Saturday though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snedwos View Post
    $225 ebonite feed old 146 for $225? If I see that I may well just buy it...

    Probably none left at DC by Saturday though.
    Yup. Not a 50s model (my collecting niche) but I couldn't pass it up at that price. It is long gone into my collection from whence I doubt it will ever move. ;-) But there are deals out there to be had if you move quick!
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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    Quote Originally Posted by tandaina View Post
    Yes, as far as I know there is no 146 Classique. That was the 144 when it became cartridge/converter (blech). There are a ton, I mean a ton of 146s out there. If you buy from a reputable seller, or from a collector at a pen show you don't have to worry nearly so much about fakes and the prices can be quite good. I just got an early 1980s 146 (ebonite feed, single tone 14k nib) for $225 at a pen show. That's far, far less than you'll spend for a new one today and the pen writes just as well (which is wonderfully). If there are any pen shows near you I suggest going.
    Hi Tandaina,
    Nice catch on the 146. I also have one from the late 70s or early 80s that I picked up for a similar price. I agree with you about their writing quality. An excellent pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snedwos View Post
    $225 ebonite feed old 146 for $225? If I see that I may well just buy it...

    Probably none left at DC by Saturday though.
    Oddly enough, the resin barrel ebonite feed 146 often yields a lower price on ebay. I've bought two for $150 and $175. Of course, the celluloid barrel version yields a much higher price, but the 1970s (ish) era 146 pens can be easily had for your price point of $225 or less.

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    Quote Originally Posted by InkyThoughts12 View Post
    Ok so I have a few question about the Montblanc Meisterstück 146.

    -Does the Meisterstück 146 have the word "Pix"under the pen clip? If it was made after 1997 it is more likely to have PIX under the clip than not.

    -Is the Newer Model 2 tone (gold and silver)Yes the newer model has a 2 tone nib that is gold and rhodium plated gold that makes it look like white gold. It isn't silver.

    -In the newer model of the Meisterstück 146 , is the ink feed curvy or just flat like a mountain?The feed is curvy and has several fine horizontal fins. Older feeds were flat

    Thank you for your time.
    I suggest you search ebay for 146 pens and check out as many pictures as you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmahany View Post
    "Classique" and "Le Grand" are subcategories within the Meisterstuck line. They do not equate to "piston vs. cartridge" classification.

    Case in point: The 147 Le Grand Traveler which is nearly (or exactly, depending when yours was made) the same size as the 146 Le Grand, yet the 147 uses cartridges (converters won't fit) and the 146 utilizes a piston mechanism.

    Ultimately, "Classique" is a fancy word for "entry line."

    You have a right to be cautious of fakes. HOWEVER, I have yet to see someone produce any sort of proof (even a picture) of a replica/fake 146. I have seen 2-3 over the past several years, but they were such awful copies, even a beginning collector could spot them. To put it into perspective, they one was a baby blue color, and the other was a fire/flame design on the outside. Their piston mechanisms (if you want to call them that) consisted of a cheap plastic stem I'd expect to be found in a bottle of $2 cleaning solution.
    That was a great comment. Saying that the Classic is an entry line pen, helps me to put it in perspective.
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    Yup. That isn't to say that the Classic (144) is a *bad* pen. I owned one. It can be handy for traveling since cartridges are so easy to pack and take with you. But in the end I sold my modern 144 (the old 144 is a piston filler like the 146 and is a totally different beast than the modern 144. I'm not sure when they changed. Mine is from just after the end of WWII.) because in the end... it didn't feel like a Montblanc. It just didn't have the balance, the nib feel, it just didn't have the magic. It was my second Montblanc (after a 50s 244) and I'm glad I owned it, but I wouldn't buy it again.

    Definitely go for the 146 and if it proves a little too large or heavy search for a 50s 144, you won't regret it. (Well your wallet will, because once you've owned a 1950s first tier Montblanc you will own more.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tandaina View Post
    Yup. That isn't to say that the Classic (144) is a *bad* pen. I owned one. It can be handy for traveling since cartridges are so easy to pack and take with you. But in the end I sold my modern 144 (the old 144 is a piston filler like the 146 and is a totally different beast than the modern 144. I'm not sure when they changed. Mine is from just after the end of WWII.) because in the end... it didn't feel like a Montblanc. It just didn't have the balance, the nib feel, it just didn't have the magic. It was my second Montblanc (after a 50s 244) and I'm glad I owned it, but I wouldn't buy it again.

    Definitely go for the 146 and if it proves a little too large or heavy search for a 50s 144, you won't regret it. (Well your wallet will, because once you've owned a 1950s first tier Montblanc you will own more.)
    Good advice. One 50s MB can easily lead to a dozen or more.

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    I often use cars as a reference point as a car guy myself. However, I know many people couldn’t tell the difference between a Yukon and a Tahoe much less a Civic and an Accord.
    A better reference would be to talk about BMWs (after all, we’re talking about a German luxury pen).

    The classique line is essentially the BMW 3 series- The 320i/328i is equivalent to the base model 144/164/163. Nothing special aside from it having the expensive logo on it.
    The “Classique Solitaire” compares to the 335i. The same pen/car, but with many desirable features (the metallic barrel and turboed v6 respectively).
    Pens such as the Ramses compare to the M3. You’ll pay a significant premium but you get a phenomenal product that is very desirable, just a physically smaller platform.

    Le Grand Line: Similar to the 5 series. The same example as above (528i, 535i, M5).

    149(diplomat): 7 series. It’s almost comically large, but some feel they need it (I own several 149s….no 7 series).
    Of note: I’m a BMW/Montblanc guy in case you can’t tell….I drive a modified twin turbo 335i for any other car guys/girls out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmahany View Post
    I often use cars as a reference point as a car guy myself. However, I know many people couldn’t tell the difference between a Yukon and a Tahoe much less a Civic and an Accord.
    A better reference would be to talk about BMWs (after all, we’re talking about a German luxury pen).

    The classique line is essentially the BMW 3 series- The 320i/328i is equivalent to the base model 144/164/163. Nothing special aside from it having the expensive logo on it.
    The “Classique Solitaire” compares to the 335i. The same pen/car, but with many desirable features (the metallic barrel and turboed v6 respectively).
    Pens such as the Ramses compare to the M3. You’ll pay a significant premium but you get a phenomenal product that is very desirable, just a physically smaller platform.

    Le Grand Line: Similar to the 5 series. The same example as above (528i, 535i, M5).

    149(diplomat): 7 series. It’s almost comically large, but some feel they need it (I own several 149s….no 7 series).
    Of note: I’m a BMW/Montblanc guy in case you can’t tell….I drive a modified twin turbo 335i for any other car guys/girls out there.
    That's a good way of identification/comparison.

    One thing I would add is the fact that most of the Writers Limited Editions are based on the 146 - Le Grand Line so they would need an upgraded BMW model. And there are also Solitaires available in the 146 - Le Grand Line that would too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mmahany View Post
    I often use cars as a reference point as a car guy myself. However, I know many people couldn’t tell the difference between a Yukon and a Tahoe much less a Civic and an Accord.
    A better reference would be to talk about BMWs (after all, we’re talking about a German luxury pen).

    The classique line is essentially the BMW 3 series- The 320i/328i is equivalent to the base model 144/164/163. Nothing special aside from it having the expensive logo on it.
    The “Classique Solitaire” compares to the 335i. The same pen/car, but with many desirable features (the metallic barrel and turboed v6 respectively).
    Pens such as the Ramses compare to the M3. You’ll pay a significant premium but you get a phenomenal product that is very desirable, just a physically smaller platform.

    Le Grand Line: Similar to the 5 series. The same example as above (528i, 535i, M5).

    149(diplomat): 7 series. It’s almost comically large, but some feel they need it (I own several 149s….no 7 series).
    Of note: I’m a BMW/Montblanc guy in case you can’t tell….I drive a modified twin turbo 335i for any other car guys/girls out there.
    That's a good way of identification/comparison.

    One thing I would add is the fact that most of the Writers Limited Editions are based on the 146 - Le Grand Line so they would need an upgraded BMW model. And there are also Solitaires available in the 146 - Le Grand Line that would too.
    Yes, I only included the solitaire example for classiques with respect to keeping my post as concise as possible.

    I'd compare the Writer's Editions to the 6-series. Even the entry level is very impressive with models ranging all the way up to M6 comparison (a car that sells for well beyond $100k)

    Perhaps the Mozart line is best compared to the 1-series....a car that is small in size, but once again not inferior by most people's standards (especially the M1 that is no longer offered).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmahany View Post
    I often use cars as a reference point as a car guy myself. However, I know many people couldn’t tell the difference between a Yukon and a Tahoe much less a Civic and an Accord.
    A better reference would be to talk about BMWs (after all, we’re talking about a German luxury pen).

    The classique line is essentially the BMW 3 series- The 320i/328i is equivalent to the base model 144/164/163. Nothing special aside from it having the expensive logo on it.
    The “Classique Solitaire” compares to the 335i. The same pen/car, but with many desirable features (the metallic barrel and turboed v6 respectively).
    Pens such as the Ramses compare to the M3. You’ll pay a significant premium but you get a phenomenal product that is very desirable, just a physically smaller platform.

    Le Grand Line: Similar to the 5 series. The same example as above (528i, 535i, M5).

    149(diplomat): 7 series. It’s almost comically large, but some feel they need it (I own several 149s….no 7 series).
    Of note: I’m a BMW/Montblanc guy in case you can’t tell….I drive a modified twin turbo 335i for any other car guys/girls out there.
    Don't drive down 301, in Florida, in that beast. You won't be buying too many Mont Blancs in the near future

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    Quote Originally Posted by GING GING View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mmahany View Post
    I often use cars as a reference point as a car guy myself. However, I know many people couldn’t tell the difference between a Yukon and a Tahoe much less a Civic and an Accord.
    A better reference would be to talk about BMWs (after all, we’re talking about a German luxury pen).

    The classique line is essentially the BMW 3 series- The 320i/328i is equivalent to the base model 144/164/163. Nothing special aside from it having the expensive logo on it.
    The “Classique Solitaire” compares to the 335i. The same pen/car, but with many desirable features (the metallic barrel and turboed v6 respectively).
    Pens such as the Ramses compare to the M3. You’ll pay a significant premium but you get a phenomenal product that is very desirable, just a physically smaller platform.

    Le Grand Line: Similar to the 5 series. The same example as above (528i, 535i, M5).

    149(diplomat): 7 series. It’s almost comically large, but some feel they need it (I own several 149s….no 7 series).
    Of note: I’m a BMW/Montblanc guy in case you can’t tell….I drive a modified twin turbo 335i for any other car guys/girls out there.
    Don't drive down 301, in Florida, in that beast. You won't be buying too many Mont Blancs in the near future
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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    This one is a 146 Platinum mediumImageUploadedByTapatalk1407474159.530125.jpg

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    so where does the 146 Platinum fit into all of this?

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    Quote Originally Posted by GING GING View Post
    This one is a 146 Platinum mediumImageUploadedByTapatalk1407474159.530125.jpg
    It's hard to tell for sure but the proportions look wrong for a 146. Might that be a 145?

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GING GING View Post
    This one is a 146 Platinum mediumImageUploadedByTapatalk1407474159.530125.jpg
    It's hard to tell for sure but the proportions look wrong for a 146. Might that be a 145?
    Nicely spotted Jar. That also looks like a 145 to me. The section ring and the lack of ink window are good clues I think.

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    I second that. I am looking at my 146 Platinum right now and my 146 Gold and neither have the metal section ring.

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GING GING View Post
    This one is a 146 Platinum mediumImageUploadedByTapatalk1407474159.530125.jpg
    It's hard to tell for sure but the proportions look wrong for a 146. Might that be a 145?
    Oops, sorry. It is the 145 plat.

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    Default Re: Questions about the montblanc meisterstück 146

    [QUOTE=GING GING;91074]This one is a 146 Platinum medium[ATTACH]13203[/

    This is a 145, not a 146. Thanx for pointing that out, guys.

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