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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    PPP was well served today. At El Zorno's house in Beaver Falls-- we had some good laughs about the pen world-- I found in his Sheaffer stash... get ready for it... an off-catalogue "flat-top". I bought it. Too bad I left the good camera in New York. There will be more eye candy posts soon though.

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    One element that would be very nice to document *somewhere* would be the hard data - i.e. actual measurements - of the width of the cap bands. It's swell to see the four pens next to each other, and observe the 4 'relative' sizes of the cap band, but looking at a single pen in hand it would be hard for an individual to know, off-hand (hehe) just which band was in play. Obviously, a simple measurement would answer the question and take us a step further away from myth and mystery and decoder rings.

    Happy New Year. I declare 2015 the year I purchase, somewhere, an OS Ebonized Pearl Balance.
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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    Jon, I have a bunch of Ebonized in the pipeline. The OS's and the off-catalogue cap-band pens are pricey, but I might have a couple standard/slender back soon. Great color. Not too crazy price. Of course, "not too crazy" could be subjective.

    We must get dinner this year at LA.

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    I wouldn't be surprised if Roger or if someone else has posted the widths of the four key rings. I don't know 'em offhand, though even knowing the numbers probably would not help when looking at a random photo.

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    One element that would be very nice to document *somewhere* would be the hard data - i.e. actual measurements - of the width of the cap bands. It's swell to see the four pens next to each other, and observe the 4 'relative' sizes of the cap band, but looking at a single pen in hand it would be hard for an individual to know, off-hand (hehe) just which band was in play. Obviously, a simple measurement would answer the question and take us a step further away from myth and mystery and decoder rings.
    As you suspected, serious Sheaffer collectors long ago noted these dimensions (as did Sheaffer themselves -- probably a doc in the PCA library that has the info). 1/2" ("Grand" Autograph), 5/16" (standard Autograph), 1/8" (typical Lifetime, excepting Petite), 3/32" (best non-Lifetime level, and Lifetime Petite), and 1/16" (Junior and entry/step-up strata). This is for the Balance line.

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    PPP. Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirchh View Post
    As you suspected, serious Sheaffer collectors long ago noted these dimensions (as did Sheaffer themselves -- probably a doc in the PCA library that has the info).
    Thanks, Daniel. TBH, I don't care to delineate who is, or is not, a "serious Sheaffer collector". It is just a difficult task for many, like myself, who are relatively new to all of this to come by information. It is often scattered all over the place, and not easy to track down when you need to. I'll make a note of this and put it in one of my pen books.
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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    Excellent.

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirchh View Post
    As you suspected, serious Sheaffer collectors long ago noted these dimensions (as did Sheaffer themselves -- probably a doc in the PCA library that has the info).
    Thanks, Daniel. TBH, I don't care to delineate who is, or is not, a "serious Sheaffer collector". It is just a difficult task for many, like myself, who are relatively new to all of this to come by information. It is often scattered all over the place, and not easy to track down when you need to. I'll make a note of this and put it in one of my pen books.
    You're welcome -- happy to help folks like you with this sort of question.

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    It was great to see the PPP do its thing

    More soon...

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    Default Re: A Challenge for Sheaffer Balance Collectors: OS Ebonized Pearl mid-1930s

    Jon -

    To follow up, there are some Sheaffer documents in the PCA Library that give the widths of various models' cap bands. One I just checked is the Sheaffer Service Policy & Pricing Chart, 1951, which is filed in two parts.

    I will caution that as with other such materials, they are not infallible; for example, a quick look showed the width of an Autograph cap band listed as 1/4", but that's not quite right (it's 5/16"). In any event, the materials in the PCA Library are a great place to start.

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    It was great to see the PPP do its thing

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    The Pokity Poke Process.

    They can't resist. There tends to be some bleating though.

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