Trump demands that Georgia Secretary of State change votes so he wins.

[dneal]

Your insults mean nothing in that context.

Cool. Your drive-by snipes don't mean anything to me. I'm just wondering how long it takes you to get triggered again.

The primary signers are still a hell of a lot more than Fauci and the others you worship.

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA. Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Salmaan Keshavjee, professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England

[Lloyd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...on_Declaration

[TSherbs]

Kelly Loeffler, of Georgia, redeemed herself a bit in my eyes by standing up and withdrawing her objection to Arizona after the events of yesterday. She did no grandstanding. I don't know if she spoke later on Pennsylvania, because I was asleep by then.

[welch]

The day after Trump's brownshirts attempted to capture the Capitol:

Nothing can stop what’s coming’: Far-right forums that fomented Capitol riots voice glee in aftermath
Online rage and real-world violence collided in the siege, with deadly consequences: “It’s a new age of terrorism that can’t exist without the Internet.”
Trump supporters gather Wednesday at the Capitol.
Trump supporters gather Wednesday at the Capitol. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
By
Craig Timberg,
Drew Harwell,
Razzan Nakhlawi and
Harrison Smith

Jan. 7, 2021 at 3:05 p.m. EST

Men wearing camouflage shirts began building a makeshift defensive camp outside the Capitol on Wednesday afternoon. They moved barricades and green fencing into a circle, and then pulled helmets from a crate and donned goggles in preparation for a clash that had been brewing for weeks and, arguably, for years on far-right forums devoted to President Trump.

“TheDonald.win, that’s where it’s at,” said one of the men, referring to the website where defiant talk, conspiracy theories and tips on how best to lay siege to Washington have grown since Trump lost the Nov. 3 election.

Violent scene unfolds as pro-Trump mob storms Capitol
Trump supporters overtook Capitol Police officers to enter the building as lawmakers attempted to count the electoral college votes on Jan. 6. (The Washington Post)
The comment underscored the potent, interactive role between the online and offline worlds in Wednesday’s breach of the Capitol. Violent talk on far-right forums fomented violent real-world action, which was then captured by smartphones, uploaded and celebrated on the same forums. The boundaries between the digital and analog all but disappeared as rage, provocation and gloating bounced back and forth, again and again.

Facebook bans President Trump indefinitely, CEO Mark Zuckerberg says

TheDonald, as the camouflaged men at the Capitol suggested, offered a particularly vivid view of this combustible dynamic. The forum, banned last year from Reddit for hate speech and violent talk and now turned into a website, had been one of many online staging grounds for Wednesday’s riot, and the success of the takeover of the Capitol spurred celebration and calls for further action, including the execution of leading Democrats. For days before, the forum had featured advice on how best to sneak guns into Washington, despite its strict weapons laws.

By Thursday morning, though, different moods had set in on this and other pro-Trump forums. Anger and gloating were still there, but so was unease at the furious public and political backlash against the events of the day before, which led to dozens of arrests and left one person fatally shot by police and three people dead after medical emergencies. Some posters worried their favorite forums, including TheDonald, would get knocked offline by chastened Internet service providers. There also was a pitched effort to redirect blame against left-wing activists, such as antifa, for somehow dressing up as marauding Trump supporters — a claim that was obviously ridiculous to anyone who watched the events unfold on their televisions, computers or smartphones.

Pro-Trump forums erupt with violent threats ahead of Wednesday’s rally against the 2020 election

On TheDonald, as users argued that the removal of some violent comments suggested the site’s leaders had been “compromised,” one moderator wrote, “What do you want? Us to try to lead a [expletive] revolution … from a forum on the internet, which ends up getting the site shut down in a matter of days and all of us sent to the gulag?”

Many things born on the darkest corners of the Internet found their way to the heart of American democracy on Wednesday. Ludicrous claims among adherents of the QAnon conspiracy theory — including that leading Democrats are satanic pedophiles — got shouted by the mobs taking over the Capitol. The emerging garb of the far-right — camouflage, goggles, American flags draped as shawls — leaped directly from the far-right memeworld into the nation’s capital.

Years of social media comments about “lynching” political leaders opposed to Trump, meanwhile, manifested themselves as an actual noose, hanging from a makeshift gallows on the Mall. Someone wrote “BIDEN,” in reference to President-elect Joe Biden, on the wooden structure, with an arrow pointing toward the noose.

It was not clear if TheDonald or any similar pro-Trump forum directly coordinated the takeover of the Capitol, or if posters simply shared general advice, promotion and celebration of the idea of thronging to Washington in support of the president. Much of that was included in a popular thread called “PATRIOTS STORM THE CAPITOL | WATCH PARTY.”

The resulting mayhem appeared to proceed without obvious leaders, a common feature of political action developed and coordinated online, said Rita Katz, executive director of SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks political extremism.

“It’s a new age of terrorism that can’t exist without the Internet,” Katz said. “Having said that, the movement has a spiritual leader, which is Trump.”

Advance Democracy, a group headed by former FBI analyst and Senate investigator Daniel J. Jones, who led the review of the CIA’s torture program, also was tracking pro-Trump forums as they built toward Wednesday’s assault.

“In the lead-up to yesterday’s violence, the Capitol rioters needed a place to plan for how the violence would unfold. They found this on unmoderated pro-Trump forums such as TheDonald.win,” Jones said. “There, they posted their plans to take matters into their own hands and literally threatened to kill lawmakers. They encouraged each other to bring illegal weapons. When this came to fruition, the real-life actions provided fodder for those on the forum.”

As QAnon grew, Facebook and Twitter missed years of warning signs about the conspiracy theory’s violent nature

In the aftermath, pro-Trump forums wavered between glee, deflection and recrimination, shunting blame for the chaos onto a mass of scapegoats. They blamed Vice President Pence, for not subverting the reality of Trump’s loss, and old foes like Democrats, the media and the “deep state.” They also blamed the Capitol Police and other members of law enforcement.

Some pro-Trump posters conjured new conspiracy theories to explain away the damage: “Does anyone else feel like this was all a complete setup?” conservative commentator Evan Kilgore tweeted late Wednesday, in a message that was “liked” more than 114,000 times.

Social media sites like Facebook and Twitter worked belatedly to tamp down some of the fervor. Facebook indefinitely suspended Trump‘s accounts Thursday, while Twitter blocked him from tweeting for 12 hours. A number of less-moderated alternatives offered refuge for Trump supporters eager to egg the chaos on.

The pro-Trump attorney L. Lin Wood, whose Twitter account was suspended Wednesday after he baselessly accused Pence of being a “child molester,” leaped quickly to the alternative social network Parler, where he urged Trump-supporting “patriots” to keep fighting, saying, “Almighty God is with you. TODAY IS OUR DAY.”

“Get the firing squads ready. Pence goes FIRST.” Wood wrote in a Parler post that has been directed toward user feeds nearly 3 million times.

TheDonald, Wood and Parler did not respond to requests for comment.

Why Parler has seen a surge in followers during the 2020 election
Parler positions itself as the "free speech" alternative to Twitter and Facebook. And after the 2020 election, conservatives welcome that. (The Washington Post)
Seeing the chaos as a marketing opportunity, extreme right-wing groups used encrypted messaging services to coach their followers on recruitment strategies for winning newly disillusioned Trump supporters to their cause.

One self-identified neo-Nazi account wrote to more than 7,000 followers on Telegram, advising them that many people normally averse to a violent ideology could now be more vulnerable to radicalization.

“It will soon be the time to start individually reaching out to Rightwing types and spreading our ‘There is No Political Solution’ message,” the account said.

Reddit closes long-running forum supporting President Trump after years of policy violations

Another white supremacist “fraternity” discussed the possibility of a White-led uprising after Wednesday’s attempted insurrection. “Your mission is to invite [Trump supporters] into our spaces. Tell them there is a solution to their problem. Invite them to telegram. Seize the opportunity,” the administrator posted. “I’m sure a lot of them lost faith with [Trump] today,” one commenter responded.

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On TheDonald, where users had proudly shared their travel itineraries for Wednesday’s demonstrations and planned meetups at hotels and restaurants near the White House, the triumphant mood quickly soured after Pence refused to intervene, with thousands of commenters labeling him a criminal traitor compromised by the “swamp.”

Even as they posted, their real-world compatriots tore through the Capitol building voicing the same anger. “Where's Pence, show yourself!” one rioter said after barging onto the Senate floor.

When Trump tweeted a video asking protesters to return home, a barrage of posts ripped through the forum expressing a mix of disbelief and frustration.

“HE ASKED US TO COME. ‘JAn 6 WILL BE WILD,’ ” wrote the user “RiverFenix” in a post quoting Trump’s tweet from last month. “IM AM SO CONFUSED SOMEONE SHAKE ME AWAKE,” the account added.

While some posters expressed continued allegiance to the president, many others responded with cynicism. “Let’s move on to someone that will actually fight and isn’t afraid of scrutiny,” one user commented. “He led us to slaughter,” said another.

Still, a contingent of Trump supporters and believers in the QAnon conspiracy theory voiced the belief that the siege was all part of a plan to keep Trump in power — and that more tumult would come in the days ahead.

“Sleep well tonight patriots. … You are going to love how this movie ends,” wrote “StormIsUponUs,” a QAnon-espousing account with more than 450,000 followers on Parler. “'Nothing can stop what’s coming’ wasn’t just a catch-phrase.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...-online-siege/

[TSherbs]

The way these idiots stormed the building (some of them merely walking forward) and then sat around as interlopers taking selfies and putting their dirty feet on the furniture (forgetting, for now, the beatings, bombs, and guns that they also distributed) and shouting QAnon inanity just shows how lame the whole movement is. What a grab-bag of fools, slavishly following the goadings of America's two greatest current losers: Trump and Giuliani

[Chrissy]

I've avoided responding here because I'm not American and am just an outsider viewing what's happening from another country.
However I, probably along with most of the world, was really shocked to see this, but not actually 100% surprised that it happened at this time with Trump supporters who were actually incited by the man himself.
As of today's news he seems to be backtracking, probably in order that he will not be found unfit, and in hopes that he can continue to be free to spread his goadings when he leaves the White House. Whether or not America does anything about this remains to be seen.
The world can only hold it's collective breath for the next 4 years and hope and pray that the Republican party can find someone worthy of running for President who is not necessarily Trump who can just afford to put his hands in his pocket. If they don't, I believe that, in the words of Arnie, he will be back.
Come on America. You can do so much better than this.

[TSherbs]

Both parties have to constantly work hard to be recruiting enough young people with the intelligence, good character, charisma, strength, and ambition to run for national office AND be equal to the task should they win. Tough combo , though!

[welch]

I've avoided responding here because I'm not American and am just an outsider viewing what's happening from another country.
However I, probably along with most of the world, was really shocked to see this, but not actually 100% surprised that it happened at this time with Trump supporters who were actually incited by the man himself.
As of today's news he seems to be backtracking, probably in order that he will not be found unfit, and in hopes that he can continue to be free to spread his goadings when he leaves the White House. Whether or not America does anything about this remains to be seen.
The world can only hold it's collective breath for the next 4 years and hope and pray that the Republican party can find someone worthy of running for President who is not necessarily Trump who can just afford to put his hands in his pocket. If they don't, I believe that, in the words of Arnie, he will be back.
Come on America. You can do so much better than this.

Than you, Chrissy.

Here in the US, the Republican Party seems shaken up, with many elected officials beginning to pretend that they don't really know this Donald Trump guy, and many Republican voters waving Confederate flags and threatening to attack the capitol again, if they can just get then chance. Notice: all but a half-dozen Republican senators voted to uphold the US election, and half the Republican member of the House insist that the election was stolen from dear Leader -- Al Hail -- Trump. The Wall Street Journal --owned by the right-wing fanatic Rupert Murdoch -- has called for Trump to resign. Now that it no longer matters, Nikki Haley says, maybe, um, sort of, um, Trump is dangerous.

Only took them four years.

Luckily, two Democrats beat two trumpist brownshirts in election for Senate from Georgia. People might have missed it because the brownshirts followed Trump's request to attack the Capitol on Tuesday. They failed and he failed.

Incidentally, the last time an army with foreign allegiance captured the White House, in August, 1814, the British government expected that this would be like beheading the US government. US negotiator at Ghent shrugged, knowing that a building or two is just a symbol. They continued until both sides agreed to the Treaty of Ghent, ending what Americans call the War of 1812. So, failed again.

Perhaps more dishonest conspiracy theories will be spread that Trump won by a landslide. Perhaps someone will pick out the lies hat spread through Trump Media...Trump won Georgia!!! The Georgia officials conspired with the Democratic Party to hide thousands of Trump votes! Leftists, say the neo-nazi pseudo-representative Matt Gaetz, captured the Capitol to make Trump look bad. With luck, some of that will sink back into the swamp of deplorable white supremacists that emitted it. Sadly, some won't.

Only eleven days until the treasonous Trump is tossed from office. Then we see what's next.

[welch]

Reporting from an actual newspaper:

Did you see the law enforcement response to the rioters taking over the Capitol? This is what White privilege looks like.
How a pro-Trump mob was able to breach security and storm the Capitol

Capitol Police were unable to stop a breach of the Capitol. Washington Post reporter Carol Leonnig and a former Senate Sergeant at Arms describe the events. (The Washington Post)

By
Petula Dvorak
Columnist
Jan. 7, 2021 at 10:15 a.m. EST
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Everyone — millions of people — saw this coming.

President Trump invited his followers to D.C. a month ago, promising them it’s “gonna be wild.”

They planned the riots openly on social media for weeks, bragging about how many guns they’d bring and the mayhem they’d set off.

They came by the thousands, and outside the White House, Trump rallied them to march on the Capitol on Wednesday, reassuring them that “after this, we’re going to walk down there, and I’ll be there with you.” (He wasn’t.)

“ ’Scuse me, ma’am,” the Trumpers said to me and everyone else they jostled as they rammed ahead, an army of Carhartt and camo, to storm the Capitol on their hero’s orders.

In June, civil rights demonstrators hand flowers to D.C. Air National Guard Staff Sgt. Paul James as he sits on a military vehicle on Vermont Avenue NW in D.C. while people gather in several spots in the city to protest the killing of George Floyd.

In June, civil rights demonstrators hand flowers to D.C. Air National Guard Staff Sgt. Paul James as he sits on a military vehicle on Vermont Avenue NW in D.C. while people gather in several spots in the city to protest the killing of George Floyd. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
“They have the House. They have the Senate. They have the presidency,” a guy in body armor and a barn coat told the man marching with him. “This is the only thing left to do.”

Heck, you can say we’ve seen it coming for all four years that Trump’s been in office — the incitement, the rallying, the lies. Y’all know his words and actions just about lit every one of those torches of hate in Charlottesville.

And still, even though we all saw it coming, the headquarters of our government was literally invaded by loud, vaping fools in flannel, surplus-store body armor, animal pelts and face paint. Police seemed powerless to stop it.


Supporters of President Trump take over parts of the Capitol on Jan. 6. (Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
After 21 years of covering protests in this town, I have never seen such a flaccid and disinterested preparation by law enforcement as what happened Wednesday.

Trump’s unhinged commands to the people who call themselves “Donald’s Army” led to this riot — and to the death of 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, a California native and Air Force veteran who jumped into the Capitol through a broken window, Trump flag tied around her waist, and was fatally shot by a law enforcement officer, according to a Washington Post article citing her family and law enforcement.

Were the people in charge of stopping this blinded by the White, perhaps?

Imagine if all those people were Black. Oh, wait, we don’t need to imagine. When thousands of demonstrators, largely African Americans, came to the nation’s capital in the summer to protest the killing of unarmed Black people, D.C. looked like Kandahar under occupation.

Trump’s militarization of D.C. is nothing but stagecraft

For a few thrown water bottles, a blaze that was about the size of my high school’s homecoming bonfire, and some stores looted by folks who came in cars and appeared to have little to do with the demonstrations for racial justice, the entire city was encircled by armored Humvees, and columns of soldiers were positioned on city streets around the White House, which became a fortress wreathed in several walls all summer long.

In one span of four days, D.C. police arrested more than 400 protesters.

So what happened this time? Did someone in charge just figure, “Oh, they’re patriots. They’re harmless.”?

Or: “These are good people; give all the officers the day off.”

Or: “Hey, let’s show America what White privilege looks like.”

Because that’s how it felt.

Trump lit those torches of White supremacy in Charlottesville

This is the same police force that swarmed me and my sons when we kicked a yellow and green bouncy ball around near the Capitol Visitor Center years ago. The same police who stared at me steely eyed when they found goldfish crackers in my son’s backpack. The same officers who kicked my husband out of the building when he went into the speaker’s lobby without a tie.

“The keys are in there!” someone in the crowd yelled.

And a young man in a hoodie and ridiculous body armor jumped into an articulating jib lift — a cherry picker — parked by the inauguration construction on the west side of the Capitol, turned it on and took people with Trump flags on rides 60 feet in the sky.

I watched a man in an orange hunting hoodie simply take a barricade apart, letting more of the mob pour onto the grounds. No police around.

The rioters climbed the inaugural scaffolding and waved Confederate battle flags. They swarmed steps and terraces that have been closed to the public for years.

Right in front of the Capitol steps, the place where my kids were kicked out years ago for sledding, someone set off a flare that flew in an arc, burning bright red, toward the dome.

“The Civil War is starting tonight!” a woman with salt-and-pepper hair and a lavender parka declared, waving her mittened hands in the air, giddy.

“Oh, it already started,” her partner said.

It was pure chaos and emotion with no plan, no mission and no reason.

A man with a megaphone verified that.

“People keep asking us, ‘What’s your plan?” he said. “I don’t have a plan, but I have a reason.”

After the stun grenades went off, after the phones all buzzed with the alert that D.C.’s mayor had set a curfew, they simply walked back to their cars and hotel rooms, regaling each other with stories of their glorious day trying to take down democracy.

That’s right. While a few dozen arrests were made, most just got to go back. I was surprised the police also didn’t hand them burgers on their way home.

This is the two Americas we need to be talking about.

[dneal]

Both parties have to constantly work hard to be recruiting enough young people with the intelligence, good character, charisma, strength, and ambition to run for national office AND be equal to the task should they win. Tough combo , though!

Like Tulsi Gabbard?

[dneal]

Reporting from an actual newspaper:

The Ministry of Truth Daily
Breaking News: Orange Man Bad

What's bizarre (and I'm being facetious, because it's just hypocritical) is that what happened on Jan 6 was a "riot" and "insurrection", as reported by the same people who called a summer of burning cities, the occupation of the Hart Senate building and pounding on the doors of the Supreme Court "protesting".

There was more rioting on Trump's Inauguration Day than we saw on Jan 6.

If you buy into the full-scary narratives promoted by either the political left or the political right, you’re probably experiencing loserthink. A more useful way to think of the political news is that nearly every major story is exaggerated to the point of falsehood, with the intention of scaring the public. If you think the frightened feeling you are getting from the news is legitimate and appropriate, you probably don’t understand how the business model of the news has changed.

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[welch]

dneal, on Tuesday, Trump requested that his mob storm the Capitol to stop the counting of votes for President of the United States. They were all white people. They follow a bigot who got his start by claiming that President Barack Obama was an African socialist and muslim born in Kenya. They carried confederate an neo-nazi flags.

For some reason, the Capitol Police chose not to deploy riot police from Washington DC to guard the Capitol, chose not to activate the Metropolitan Police quick reaction force, chose to deploy only 500 Capitol Police -- out of 2,000 -- and those without riot gear, and chose to allow the Mayor of Washington to activate only 350 DC National Guard members. The DC Guard were ordered to direct traffic miles from the Capitol, without riot armor and without humvees. That allowed thousands of maniacal trumpists to capture and hold the Capitol for hours, proclaiming all the psychotic conspiracy crap that the trumpist brownshirts have come to swear: Trump won by a landslide, election officials in six states stole Trump's election, election machines magically stole or changed Trump votes, Trump lawyers were not allowed to present evidence to judges.

Now you are posting racist photos from your Daily Stormer, or some equally bigoted and insane Q-loving web-site. You lost. Your perfect and Beloved Leader lost. The US remains a democratic republic, and the US Constitution remains. Tough. Go away.

[TSherbs]

dneal loves to make comparisons in an effort to deflect by stating "the left does it too" when no one here is stating that the left does NOT riot. Of course they have. Of course there are bigots on both sides. That a bigot lives next door to me does not make or unmake me as a bigot. The terms have their own definitions and objective standards.

The QAnon and other radical Trumpists are laced with racists. They speak their racism openly and defiantly and proudly. They wore their racism and antisemitism openly in this "march" that turned into a "riot" that resulted in much felonious behavior and at least one homicide (if the fire extinguisher report is accurate). Trump himself has engaged openly in racist behavior, and a spokesperson of one white supremicist group (I can't now remember which one) expressed his glee to the press when Trump made his "good people on both sides" remark after they marched at night with torches, not even any longer bothering with the hoods. Those people cheered at the legitimacy they heard spoken from the most powerful person on the planet.

It's not "hypocrisy" not to include comments about my racist neighbor while deploring the racist behavior and energy in the Trump world.

Trump and many of his hard core followers are some of the most racist persons in America. And they are nearly all white. That's what they mean by "we" are taking back America. This is why Trump told the Fab Five to "go back to where they came from" if they did not like America. This is what was meant by Trump's "America First" revitalization and his anti-Muslim policies.

Are there other racists in my town, my state, and my country. Well, yeah. No shit.

Regardless, these nasty fools have racism and delusion at the core of the movement.

[dneal]

dneal, on Tuesday, Trump requested that his mob storm the Capitol to stop the counting of votes for President of the United States. They were all white people. They follow a bigot who got his start by claiming that President Barack Obama was an African socialist and muslim born in Kenya. They carried confederate an neo-nazi flags.

For some reason, the Capitol Police chose not to deploy riot police from Washington DC to guard the Capitol, chose not to activate the Metropolitan Police quick reaction force, chose to deploy only 500 Capitol Police -- out of 2,000 -- and those without riot gear, and chose to allow the Mayor of Washington to activate only 350 DC National Guard members. The DC Guard were ordered to direct traffic miles from the Capitol, without riot armor and without humvees. That allowed thousands of maniacal trumpists to capture and hold the Capitol for hours, proclaiming all the psychotic conspiracy crap that the trumpist brownshirts have come to swear: Trump won by a landslide, election officials in six states stole Trump's election, election machines magically stole or changed Trump votes, Trump lawyers were not allowed to present evidence to judges.

Now you are posting racist photos from your Daily Stormer, or some equally bigoted and insane Q-loving web-site. You lost. Your perfect and Beloved Leader lost. The US remains a democratic republic, and the US Constitution remains. Tough. Go away.

As usual, and just like the title of this thread, your diatribe begins with a lie. Trump did not request that his "mob" "storm" the Capitol.

I didn't lose. I'm not a Trump supporter. You are losing as long as you let politics live in your head. Your (and TSherbs, but I'll get to him in a second), inability to post anything but vitriol is amusing to me.

"Go away"? Great, another hall monitor who thinks they can dictate the terms of the forum. Maybe you should take your own advice since you clearly let your emotion override your reason.

[Freddie]

Yo Dude lifting photos off Parler {the place is a cesspool} Go and crawl back under your rock.....Capisce!

Fred

[dneal]

dneal loves to make comparisons in an effort to deflect by stating "the left does it too" when no one here is stating that the left does NOT riot. Of course they have. Of course there are bigots on both sides. That a bigot lives next door to me does not make or unmake me as a bigot. The terms have their own definitions and objective standards.

The QAnon and other radical Trumpists are laced with racists. They speak their racism openly and defiantly and proudly. They wore their racism and antisemitism openly in this "march" that turned into a "riot" that resulted in much felonious behavior and at least one homicide (if the fire extinguisher report is accurate). Trump himself has engaged openly in racist behavior, and a spokesperson of one white supremicist group (I can't now remember which one) expressed his glee to the press when Trump made his "good people on both sides" remark after they marched at night with torches, not even any longer bothering with the hoods. Those people cheered at the legitimacy they heard spoken from the most powerful person on the planet.

It's not "hypocrisy" not to include comments about my racist neighbor while deploring the racist behavior and energy in the Trump world.

Trump and many of his hard core followers are some of the most racist persons in America. And they are nearly all white. That's what they mean by "we" are taking back America. This is why Trump told the Fab Five to "go back to where they came from" if they did not like America. This is what was meant by Trump's "America First" revitalization and his anti-Muslim policies.

Are there other racists in my town, my state, and my country. Well, yeah. No shit.

Regardless, these nasty fools have racism and delusion at the core of the movement.

I don't make comparisons. I point out liberal hypocrisy. Oh, you guys have plenty of excuses ranging from "the left does it too" and "whataboutism"; but that's because you can't consider anything without the filter of your echo-chamber.

Silly accusations of racism, nazism, totalitarianism, etc... exemplify the weakness of your argument. "People who have good arguments use them. People who do not have good arguments try to win by labeling". Scott Adams has you (and Welch's) number. Another applicable quote from him? "Mental Prison: The illusions and unproductive thinking that limits ability to see the world clearly and act upon it rationally".

All politics sway with the prevailing winds, but nothing compares to the doublethink of liberals. Yes, an Orwell reference. That's how ridiculous you guys are to the objective observer. The way you make QAnon and other "radicals" into your bogeymen is Orwellian too. Both sides have their radicals, and neither side should be characterized by the fringe. That's just another hypocritical stance you libs take though.

This showed up in my YouTube feed today. The hypocrisy is delicious, on so many levels. The Washington Post decrying Biden's policy and Kamala's attacks on it when hers was just the same. I'm sure the WP will maintain it's journalistic credibility by remaining consistent in their criticisms, now that Biden and Harris will be in the whitehouse.




The fact remains that rabid liberals rioted during Trump's inauguration. Conservatives decried it and liberals justified it. This theme continued throughout the Trump presidency. Kavanaugh's hearings, BLM riots, all of it. "Peaceful protesting" with flames in the background is precisely Orwellian. What was different on 6 Jan? Nothing was burned and liberals decided "protests" were a bad thing. Conservatives remained consistent in their condemnation.

[dneal]

Yo Dude lifting photos off Parler {the place is a cesspool} Go and crawl back under your rock.....Capisce!

Fred

Go rub salt in your ass, Fred. You contribute nothing to these threads other than one more echo from the chamber - and a barely intelligible one at that.

Try full sentences with an attempt at grammar. Then with a little practice maybe you can work your way up to a paragraph or two.

[Freddie]

Yo Dude lifting photos off Parler {the place is a cesspool} Go and crawl back under your rock.....Capisce!

Fred

Go rub salt in your ass, Fred. You contribute nothing to these threads other than one more echo from the chamber - and a barely intelligible one at that.

Try full sentences with an attempt at grammar. Then with a little practice maybe you can work your way up to a paragraph or two.

Yo Deadwood Foxtrot Oscar Understand Jack Good luck in the real world kid.......

Fred

[dneal]

Yo Dude lifting photos off Parler {the place is a cesspool} Go and crawl back under your rock.....Capisce!

Fred

Go rub salt in your ass, Fred. You contribute nothing to these threads other than one more echo from the chamber - and a barely intelligible one at that.

Try full sentences with an attempt at grammar. Then with a little practice maybe you can work your way up to a paragraph or two.

Yo Deadwood Foxtrot Oscar Understand Jack Good luck in the real world kid.......

Fred

You should post before you start drinking.

[dneal]

"Too many see the protests as the problem. No, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take the streets. Persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice."

Hmmm.

"Please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. Because I can show you that outraged citizens are what made the country what she is and led to any major milestone. To be honest, this is not a tranquil time."

I wonder who said this, and who (if anyone) called them out on it.

Fuggin' liberal hypocrisy.