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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post

    He seems to post from a wide perspective and more balance than most. I wouldn't get to personal if I were you.
    Thanks, Chuck. I appreciate the compliment. But don't worry about me and kazoo. I think that we understand well each other's opinions on these things. He is very worried about federal over-reach; I am not (yet). We all have our limits. He seems to have reached his, but we have not yet reached mine. Others may have different answers.

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    He seems to post from a wide perspective and more balance than most. I wouldn't get to personal if I were you.
    Thanks, Chuck. I appreciate the compliment. But don't worry about me and kazoo. I think that we understand well each other's opinions on these things. He is very worried about federal over-reach; I am not (yet). We all have our limits. He seems to have reached his, but we have not yet reached mine. Others may have different answers.
    I’m not worried. David Brooks has influenced me a bit regarding the benefit from having infrastructure and services in place to protect US citizens. I would never expect past employers to be in a position to help.

    Yes, different perspectives are good.

    My concern is with not understanding that Fauci et all didnt have all the information they needed and no presidential support

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post

    Your "why" questions are motivation questions. I answered them.

    See here:
    ...why do you dismiss the majority of my post, and pull one phrase out of context?

    ....

    Is there some reason you dismiss those questions (previously posted as assertions)?
    So, like I said, I am merely answering your motivation questions...the ones that you directly asked me.
    Actually, they were rhetorical.
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    Some people are going to try to skewer Fauci. Not much that one can do about it. I chose not to engage in dispute on this. To me, it's not worth the argument (over masks, especially).

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    Some people are going to try to skewer Fauci. Not much that one can do about it. I chose not to engage in dispute on this. To me, it's not worth the argument (over masks, especially).
    For me, it is. My professional life has been in healthcare, but I respect yours was elsewhere.

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    Some people are going to try to skewer Fauci. Not much that one can do about it. I chose not to engage in dispute on this. To me, it's not worth the argument (over masks, especially).
    For me, it is. My professional life has been in healthcare, but I respect yours was elsewhere.
    I get it. And I believe in masking and wear one every day, all day, at work, willingly.

    I mean that I am not interested in arguing over what I consider a settled matter (for me). Others can argue this, but not me.

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    My state has laws, my employer has rules, my country has regulations. We either comply or don't comply. I comply with these rules, willingly. Other rules I disregard from time to time, with the full knowledge that I could be punished by my state or my employer. That's the way it goes.

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    Arguing is a form of what it means to be a good citizen. Otherwise, only one voice is heard

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    OSHA backs off...for now...

    New York Post: OSHA suspends Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate after court challenge.

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/osha-s...ccine-mandate/

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    "Backs off" seems an odd way to say it was ordered to stop.
    Of course, Joe told companies to continue with the mandate, which is where this topic started.

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    Gotta continue to pressure w/ 767K dead from COVID-19. Gotta do whatever it takes. No time to let up. At this point it's more marketing than evidence based decisions on the part of the unvaccinated. On other forums people are telling us about their "long COVID" experiences. It wouldn't be something I'd want to experience.

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    "Evidence based discussions" - like dismissing ivermectin out of hand as "horse dewormer", ridiculing or dismissing bona fide medical professionals who have identified effective treatment regimens, censoring and threatening medical professionals who don't follow the narrative, dismissing negative reactions to vaccines, etc...

    Perhaps if we had a viable treatment (which we seem to have), lemmings wouldn't have their panties in such a bunch over masks and vaccines.

    So "gotta do whatever it takes"? Apparently so, just as long as "whatever it takes" to save lives doesn't disrupt the narrative.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Gotta do whatever it takes.
    Dictatorship is an underlying theme/goal of Uncle Joe.
    Funny, that sounds kinda familiar.

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    That’s what I’m starting to realize. It’s more about control than protecting lives. One would think the left would love to see non vaccinated conservatives be removed by natural selection. Heck maybe some would think it would help global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
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    Gotta do whatever it takes.
    Dictatorship is an underlying theme/goal of Uncle Joe.
    Funny, that sounds kinda familiar.
    Oddly, that’s never characterized his career. He’s certainly got his faults, but so far not an autocrat.

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    Wouldn’t natural selection be those who better adapt? When you have a virus that’s killed 700k and you refuse to cooperate and get a vaccine, who’s not adapting? Lol!!

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    The Biden administration killed more Americans than Trump's - but he told us he had a plan. I mean, c'mon man!

    Biden COVID death tracker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Wouldn’t natural selection be those who better adapt? When you have a virus that’s killed 700k and you refuse to cooperate and get a vaccine, who’s not adapting? Lol!!
    That’s the point. Let people chose and possible suffer their own consequences while others can protect themselves with vaccines, boosters, masks, essential oils, zinc ect. Everyone should be able to get along.

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    What’s the point, Bold? People are already suffering their own consequences. What we are trying to do is protect others from suffering those who choose not only to not get a vaccine, but mask and keep a healthy distance.

    Do we as citizens not have an obligation toward others, while maintaining our freedom to choose our own sickness and death?

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    Wouldn’t natural selection be those who better adapt? When you have a virus that’s killed 700k and you refuse to cooperate and get a vaccine, who’s not adapting? Lol!!
    That’s the point. Let people chose and possible suffer their own consequences while others can protect themselves with vaccines, boosters, masks, essential oils, zinc ect. Everyone should be able to get along.
    Viruses often don't behave according to live-and-let-live rules. It's not as simple as this.

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